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Cream vs. Half and Half + Weight Loss

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created February 25, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Perhaps this has been asked before. Forgive me if so.

Is it acceptable to drink half and half in my coffee if there is no coconut milk or heavy cream available?

Part of my goal here is weight loss. I am mainly Irish/Italian-descent and I otherwise avoid dairy.

Edited to add: Usually this coffee-cream combination is breakfast, not part of breakfast.

I'll drink it black if I must. You can have my coffee when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

Thank you.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

so agree! but i still feel guilty if there is an audience of people since visually i just look like a fat lady asking for more fat....but i get over it and leave :)

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 10, 2011
at 05:12 PM

Yes, whipping it then freezing in blobs works really well. I freeze on trays then put them into a freezer bag. No more wasted cream.

9f9fa49265e03ddd2bf2bba5477a556b

(3184)

on April 10, 2011
at 12:35 AM

Coffee isn't really linked to any disease states and maybe be beneficial, so have at it if you want.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on April 10, 2011
at 12:35 AM

But he uses half and half with his rice krispies.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on April 10, 2011
at 12:28 AM

Check out the threads tagged "coffee". http://paleohacks.com/questions/tagged/coffee

Eeefb4a4b2ac14b006f087cf77ba9f23

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on February 27, 2011
at 01:20 AM

Kurt Harris puts heavy cream in his coffee, not half and half.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on February 26, 2011
at 05:53 PM

his exact quote is: "I myself consume copious amounts of butter and cream, half and half and occasionally whole milk - but, no surprise, I consume zero gluten grains." http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2009/6/13/using-dairy-to-substitute-fats-for-carbohydrates.html

39a1a0bc7855c084ac59df60fdf9c0dd

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on February 26, 2011
at 04:48 AM

Jack - Kurt Harris says he drimks "copious" amounts of heavy cream. Does he say he drinks half-and-half, too?

61ff86be603d2508d10eedb1997b3532

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on February 25, 2011
at 09:03 PM

Brad - your right that it might not necessarily be about counting calories, but that doesn't mean that counting calories hurts. My view is if you want to lose weight, ultimately you have to burn more than you consume. Melissa - I'm not saying you can't lose weight unless you drink black coffee, but if losing weight is your goal, not adding anything to it is an easy way to reduce calories. If I were counting calories (I don't), I'd prefer to save them for foods, rather than drink them, but that's just me. To each his/her own!

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 25, 2011
at 08:25 PM

I lost weight always drinking milk or half/half or cream in my coffee. I just had to count the calories. I'm not saying that's optimal, just that black coffee is not necessary to lose weight.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on February 25, 2011
at 07:28 PM

This is necesarily about counting calories. He may need the cream to get the right amount of fat needed for that day.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on February 25, 2011
at 06:09 PM

further to that... after the research I've done, I believe raw grass fed milk is the only way to go. pasteurization kills all the bacteria in the milk. this ruptures the tiny bodies and releases structurally altered intracellular proteins into the milk. many people have allergic reactions to these proteins, which some believe cause a host of autoimmune diseases. bottom line.. pasteurizing the milk kills it. just leave raw milk out on the counter. It NEVER spoils, ever. you can make whey, cheese, yogurt. leave killed milk out, you will puke if you get within about 3 feet of it.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on February 25, 2011
at 06:01 PM

i will post some links here that i have personally read and I believe to be on target with the truth. but as to the solid and conclusive 'evidence' presented within these links... well, decide for yourself I suppose. for a beginner looking for some good info, I think these are good places to start: http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/raw-milk-vs-pasteurized-milk/ - http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/About_Raw_Milk.html - http://www.realmilk.com/rawmilkoverview.html - http://www.realmilk.com/rawvpasteur.html - http://www.organicpastures.com/faq.html

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 25, 2011
at 05:28 PM

Jack, I haven't had time yet to learn about pasteurization. Do you have a good place to start? WAP, maybe?

04293f705870e1837b8670d3c1cd5f67

(2261)

on February 25, 2011
at 05:06 PM

I just read on the internet about whipping up the cream and putting it into dallops and freezing it if you are not using it fast enough. I run out very quickly myself.

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on February 25, 2011
at 04:35 PM

I cant help but laugh at the last line. I feel the same way. Half and half is usually my third option behind number #1 raw cream, #2 raw milk since my cream has all been skimmed.

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C53665c3f012fa1ede91033b08a8a6e7

(2269)

on April 11, 2011
at 01:54 AM

I love the reaction of the "baristas" at snooty coffee joints when I ask for a heavy-cream latt??, extra shot pls when they're pulling nonsensical drinks like skinny half-caf soy extra-hot syrup-choked frappywhatsits ordered by grim, skeletal hyper-mommies or obese people thinking they're doing the right thing by avoiding animal fats.

Srsly, why spend $5 on a coffee drink if it's not luxuriously creamy?

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

so agree! but i still feel guilty if there is an audience of people since visually i just look like a fat lady asking for more fat....but i get over it and leave :)

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61ff86be603d2508d10eedb1997b3532

(400)

on February 25, 2011
at 04:44 PM

If your goal is losing weight, you should drink it black anyways.

Coffee with no milk/cream = 0 calories.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on February 25, 2011
at 07:28 PM

This is necesarily about counting calories. He may need the cream to get the right amount of fat needed for that day.

61ff86be603d2508d10eedb1997b3532

(400)

on February 25, 2011
at 09:03 PM

Brad - your right that it might not necessarily be about counting calories, but that doesn't mean that counting calories hurts. My view is if you want to lose weight, ultimately you have to burn more than you consume. Melissa - I'm not saying you can't lose weight unless you drink black coffee, but if losing weight is your goal, not adding anything to it is an easy way to reduce calories. If I were counting calories (I don't), I'd prefer to save them for foods, rather than drink them, but that's just me. To each his/her own!

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 25, 2011
at 08:25 PM

I lost weight always drinking milk or half/half or cream in my coffee. I just had to count the calories. I'm not saying that's optimal, just that black coffee is not necessary to lose weight.

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on February 25, 2011
at 04:38 PM

half and half is 'acceptable' if there is no heavy cream, but the 'acceptable' is subjective to each person's own opinion. some may say "NO WAY! It has pasteurized MILK in it!! You will get Diabetes! You will surely DIE!!!"

Others, like Dr Kurt Harris, drink half and half on purpose. Personally, I would put half and half in my coffee ONLY if the whole heavy cream was not available at that particular moment. Since learning about the issues regarding pasteurized milk, I have completely eliminated all forms from my diet, save for the rare occurrence when I am out at some event or venue where coffee is available and I didn't happen to stash a pint of heavy cream in my pocket on the way out the door.

But if the only 'creamer' that is available is some ridiculous manmade non-dairy chemicals, then forget it. I would surely drink it black, probably on principle alone, counting the 'good decision' as an intentional stronghold to help bolster the preservation of my views on concoctions of such mish mash.

Eeefb4a4b2ac14b006f087cf77ba9f23

(106)

on February 27, 2011
at 01:20 AM

Kurt Harris puts heavy cream in his coffee, not half and half.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on February 26, 2011
at 05:53 PM

his exact quote is: "I myself consume copious amounts of butter and cream, half and half and occasionally whole milk - but, no surprise, I consume zero gluten grains." http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2009/6/13/using-dairy-to-substitute-fats-for-carbohydrates.html

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 25, 2011
at 05:28 PM

Jack, I haven't had time yet to learn about pasteurization. Do you have a good place to start? WAP, maybe?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on February 25, 2011
at 06:09 PM

further to that... after the research I've done, I believe raw grass fed milk is the only way to go. pasteurization kills all the bacteria in the milk. this ruptures the tiny bodies and releases structurally altered intracellular proteins into the milk. many people have allergic reactions to these proteins, which some believe cause a host of autoimmune diseases. bottom line.. pasteurizing the milk kills it. just leave raw milk out on the counter. It NEVER spoils, ever. you can make whey, cheese, yogurt. leave killed milk out, you will puke if you get within about 3 feet of it.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on February 25, 2011
at 06:01 PM

i will post some links here that i have personally read and I believe to be on target with the truth. but as to the solid and conclusive 'evidence' presented within these links... well, decide for yourself I suppose. for a beginner looking for some good info, I think these are good places to start: http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/raw-milk-vs-pasteurized-milk/ - http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/About_Raw_Milk.html - http://www.realmilk.com/rawmilkoverview.html - http://www.realmilk.com/rawvpasteur.html - http://www.organicpastures.com/faq.html

39a1a0bc7855c084ac59df60fdf9c0dd

(1505)

on February 26, 2011
at 04:48 AM

Jack - Kurt Harris says he drimks "copious" amounts of heavy cream. Does he say he drinks half-and-half, too?

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on April 10, 2011
at 12:35 AM

But he uses half and half with his rice krispies.

1
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78417)

on April 10, 2011
at 12:59 AM

Why ingest lactose if you can slurp cream?

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39a1a0bc7855c084ac59df60fdf9c0dd

(1505)

on February 26, 2011
at 04:45 AM

Half-and-half spikes my blood sugar; it has a fair bit of lactose. Even if you're not diabetic, proper blood sugar control is essential for weight loss and control. I drink at least a 1/2 cup of heavy cream every day - some days several times that - and have lost a bunch of weight.

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04293f705870e1837b8670d3c1cd5f67

on February 25, 2011
at 04:44 PM

For weight loss half & half won't hurt, but cream is better, because of the higher fat percent. I used to only drink coffee straight up black. When I became Paleo, I added cream to get a bit more fat into my diet.

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9f9fa49265e03ddd2bf2bba5477a556b

(3184)

on April 10, 2011
at 12:46 AM

As for the notion that pasteurized milk is going to cause some sort of allergic state because of PAMPs or MAMPs reacting with TLRs, I find it only mildly plausible. Yeah, you might lyse some pathogen with a particularly noxious LPS and drink that LPS and set off an inflammatory response. Then again, you're constantly ingesting bacteria with LPS, lipoteihoic acids, peptidoglycans and all the other bits of bacterial debris that react with TLRs. If you drank raw milk with living bacteria, not all those bacteria are going to survive in your mouth, nor in your stomach, and so you're going to be passing bits of lysed bacteria into your intestines and they're going to encounter TLR bearing cells and you're going to have an immune response. What really sets off the immune system are immune cells being presented with PAMPs plus some other virulence factor, which you're going to see primarily with pathogenic strains. It is entirely possible that most dairies don't care about those strains b/c they're just going to pasteurize the milk anyway. So pasteurized milk might contain more inflammatory bacterial bits than raw milk. Possible. Do all the bacterial membranes and proteins survive the pasteurization process in the necessary conformation to interact with TLRs or other antigen binding cells? I have no idea. But we're also talking about a process that can lead to DIC and death. Are people who are not allergic to milk dying of DIC? No. Doesn't mean there can't be subclinical inflammation going on, and there probably is, but I think pasteurized milk (and hence, 1/2&1/2) is pretty low on the list of noxious products.

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45acb09c676911056d41184a8f79b16e

on April 10, 2011
at 12:09 AM

Wait, we can have coffee as Paleos?

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on April 10, 2011
at 12:28 AM

Check out the threads tagged "coffee". http://paleohacks.com/questions/tagged/coffee

9f9fa49265e03ddd2bf2bba5477a556b

(3184)

on April 10, 2011
at 12:35 AM

Coffee isn't really linked to any disease states and maybe be beneficial, so have at it if you want.

0
3e7e7a6549f5b736feb331031805cf4b

on February 25, 2011
at 05:00 PM

I drink coffee often with half and half, and stevia. It seems to add balance to the overall taste of the paleo diet. I get tired of all meat and veggies and the addition of something creamy and sweet satisfies, which helps keep me on track. In an ideal world I would choose grass fed heavy cream every time, but that is costly, especially when I don't use it all before expiration. So organic half and half it is.

04293f705870e1837b8670d3c1cd5f67

(2261)

on February 25, 2011
at 05:06 PM

I just read on the internet about whipping up the cream and putting it into dallops and freezing it if you are not using it fast enough. I run out very quickly myself.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 10, 2011
at 05:12 PM

Yes, whipping it then freezing in blobs works really well. I freeze on trays then put them into a freezer bag. No more wasted cream.

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