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Ketosis and weight loss

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 19, 2012 at 5:14 AM

I am 0 carb and in ketosis due to SIBO, however, I am not losing any weight. In fact, on some days I gain weight.

I do not want to lose weight because it is not my primary goal - I am fine just the way it is going because I feel better and have much more energy.

This question is only because I want to understand the mechanics.

I assumed that if you were in ketosis, you automatically had to lose weight. For those who believe in calorie counting let me assure you that I eat less than 1,500 calories per day and I should have been losing weight.

So... ketosis does not equal weight loss. 0 carb does not equal weight loss. Why?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on December 20, 2012
at 03:07 PM

I don't think that drank it (it tastes nasty) but ocean salt is SO PALEO!!! Maybe the used some ocean water for cooking? I salt everything beyond belief. I am in love with sea salt.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on December 20, 2012
at 02:40 PM

Here are two stories:1.http://www.lyndsayjohnsonblog.com/2012/09/health-update-when-things-start-to-turn.html 2.http://www.ibsgroup.org/forums/topic/102286-after-5-relapses-now-cured-heres-how/

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on December 19, 2012
at 10:41 PM

Sarah, I am a bit busy right now but I promise to come back to this thing tomorrow and post two links. They are not Paleo, but they are very SIBO.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on December 19, 2012
at 09:52 PM

Are you carrying salt around too? I've taken to putting salt in my coffee & tea. I even put it in water from time to time. I am starting to wonder if paleo man could drink ocean water.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on December 19, 2012
at 08:31 PM

Me too, me too! I am like completely dehydrated even though I drink like a horse! (or fish).

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on December 19, 2012
at 08:00 PM

You drink water, use spices, eat different amounts of meat at different times. Even humidity has an effect. I've noticed I can wake up really dry some mornings.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 07:00 PM

I don't drink... I only eat meat :( ... or :)?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 06:31 PM

True. I just wanted to know - why? Because it is interesting for me to figure out what makes people gain/loose weight. Carbs? Gut bacteria? Calories?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on December 19, 2012
at 06:30 PM

6 days - I know, not long enough :)

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on December 19, 2012
at 06:08 PM

Oh, yeah, that's most likely water. How long has it been going on?

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on December 19, 2012
at 06:08 PM

Unless I misunderstood the original post, she's *not trying to lose weight,* just wondering *why* she isn't, since she's doing keto and is (presumably) running a calorie deficit.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 03:59 PM

+ 4 lb so far, but I was down 2 this morning.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on December 19, 2012
at 03:58 PM

Thanks for the link - I think she is fabulous! As soon as I am done with my all-meat, I am definitely following her protocol - she is very smart in combining GAPS and FODMAPS. Thanks for your input, I needed to hear that. I have read two accounts of complete SIBO recoveries (they can pretty much eat anything they want now). If you are interested, I can send you the links.

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on December 19, 2012
at 03:21 PM

And how much weight are we talking about?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on December 19, 2012
at 09:42 AM

Again, weight loss is not my goal. My goal is healing and I think it is definitely going in the right direction so far.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 09:41 AM

I have tried eating more. And I am gaining weight more as well. I know about a starvation mode. No, I am not starving - I eat very decent portions. So... not sure. Thanks for your answer though.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 08:16 AM

I have a reaction from eggs, avocado and nuts (I have tried macadamias). It is related to my SIBO and all-meat diet definitely has a healing effect. I am just wondering when and how to reintroduce carbs. A combination of FODMAPS and GAPs perhaps. I will try in another week or two... or whenever I feel ready. Thanks for your answer. I cannot take fish oil supplements, I react. Same to all other fats that are not a part of meat and it is hard to find too much fatty meats. I need to buy a duck or something.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 08:13 AM

Thanks for the link, but, again, only now I understand why so many people recommend 0 carb as an initial state - Atkins, GAPS, Dukan, whatever. I bet it has a healing effect on gut biota. I just need to figure out when and how I am going to re-introduce some vegetables.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 08:10 AM

No, I do VERY VERY WELL on 0 carb diet. In fact, I am doing so much better - if it is not a recovery, it is very close. I know I have to work on my gut biota now.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 08:09 AM

I weight myself every single morning.

5f678ffff153bfc8a17ac1ee438c054f

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on December 19, 2012
at 06:48 AM

Cooking with fat is a great way, also eggs, avocado, cashews, and sausage are great sources as well! Do you take fish oil supplements? Those help as well. What is it about fat that is hard for you to deal with?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on December 19, 2012
at 06:33 AM

Not long enough. I do not eat a lot of fat because I just cannot. I have tried, but I just cannot make myself to do it. I will try harder. I am not afraid of calories. I will try to add more fat, I just need to figure out a way.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on December 19, 2012
at 05:57 PM

Cause its not your goal and your eating enough fat. There is a ton of research through johns hopkins I believe regarding keto for epilepsy in children. They aren't trying to lose weight either and in fact grow quite normally with good health.

Now you should understand why some people report issue with keto....its actually that they have issue with too low calorie (well many of them anyhow). You eat enough so you have energy and are maintaining your weight. Little to nothing to do with nixing the carbs in many cases.

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on December 19, 2012
at 07:24 PM

I am struggling with SIBO and don't know where to start- I would love to see those two links of success stories.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 20, 2012
at 02:40 PM

Here are two stories:1.http://www.lyndsayjohnsonblog.com/2012/09/health-update-when-things-start-to-turn.html 2.http://www.ibsgroup.org/forums/topic/102286-after-5-relapses-now-cured-heres-how/

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 10:41 PM

Sarah, I am a bit busy right now but I promise to come back to this thing tomorrow and post two links. They are not Paleo, but they are very SIBO.

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on December 19, 2012
at 06:46 PM

I can see this level of fluctuation easily. The dehydrating effects of red wine can make the scale go up and down farther than what you've mentioned in the comments.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 08:31 PM

Me too, me too! I am like completely dehydrated even though I drink like a horse! (or fish).

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on December 19, 2012
at 09:52 PM

Are you carrying salt around too? I've taken to putting salt in my coffee & tea. I even put it in water from time to time. I am starting to wonder if paleo man could drink ocean water.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on December 19, 2012
at 08:00 PM

You drink water, use spices, eat different amounts of meat at different times. Even humidity has an effect. I've noticed I can wake up really dry some mornings.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 20, 2012
at 03:07 PM

I don't think that drank it (it tastes nasty) but ocean salt is SO PALEO!!! Maybe the used some ocean water for cooking? I salt everything beyond belief. I am in love with sea salt.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 07:00 PM

I don't drink... I only eat meat :( ... or :)?

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on December 19, 2012
at 06:06 PM

Ketosis does not equal weight loss, this is true. Not absorbing enough calories does.

Excellent Nutritional ketosis explanation by Dr. Attia

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32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on December 19, 2012
at 12:14 PM

Have you seen this: http://www.eat-real-food-paleodietitian.com/paleo-diet-and-SIBO.html The downloadable pdf is great for reference.

I did this SIBO protocol for about 2 months. It took about 1 months before I saw any weight loss or pain relief. However, once it kicked in it was awesome. I have since backslid and introduced too much fruit, and I'm hurting again. And I also have a problem with appetite - I reach a point where I just cannot eat anymore.

As for the mechanics, I wish I had a link for you; but my holistic doc says that the SIBO is part of such generalized inflammation, and that can stall the weight loss. After a month on the plan, where my inflammation and gut pain finally went to zero, I was stunned. I have never felt that good in my life! Glad I read this today - I needed some motivation!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 03:58 PM

Thanks for the link - I think she is fabulous! As soon as I am done with my all-meat, I am definitely following her protocol - she is very smart in combining GAPS and FODMAPS. Thanks for your input, I needed to hear that. I have read two accounts of complete SIBO recoveries (they can pretty much eat anything they want now). If you are interested, I can send you the links.

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D916a0f55db32cab0a4f54549fcdb8a7

on December 19, 2012
at 09:12 AM

I think your bigger issue is your calories. For your current weight. If you drop too low, you're body will go into a starvation mode and horde every last bit of it causing your losses to stop in their tracks.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 09:41 AM

I have tried eating more. And I am gaining weight more as well. I know about a starvation mode. No, I am not starving - I eat very decent portions. So... not sure. Thanks for your answer though.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 09:42 AM

Again, weight loss is not my goal. My goal is healing and I think it is definitely going in the right direction so far.

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on December 19, 2012
at 08:02 AM

I asked a question similar to this exactly one year ago today! Hope it helps you understand a little bit about why some people just don't do well on very low carb diets.

http://paleohacks.com/questions/84328/is-there-something-we-can-attribute-to-as-to-why-some-people-dont-do-well-on-zc#axzz2FTyu28Jf

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 08:10 AM

No, I do VERY VERY WELL on 0 carb diet. In fact, I am doing so much better - if it is not a recovery, it is very close. I know I have to work on my gut biota now.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 08:13 AM

Thanks for the link, but, again, only now I understand why so many people recommend 0 carb as an initial state - Atkins, GAPS, Dukan, whatever. I bet it has a healing effect on gut biota. I just need to figure out when and how I am going to re-introduce some vegetables.

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Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

on December 19, 2012
at 06:55 AM

How are you determining that you are gaining weight? By the scale? By measurement? Is it possible that the weight is water or muscle?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on December 19, 2012
at 06:30 PM

6 days - I know, not long enough :)

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 08:09 AM

I weight myself every single morning.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 03:59 PM

+ 4 lb so far, but I was down 2 this morning.

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

(7370)

on December 19, 2012
at 03:21 PM

And how much weight are we talking about?

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

(7370)

on December 19, 2012
at 06:08 PM

Oh, yeah, that's most likely water. How long has it been going on?

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5f678ffff153bfc8a17ac1ee438c054f

on December 19, 2012
at 05:36 AM

How long have you been doing a ketogenic diet?

Based on your tag, I see that you only eat meat. Do you eat a lot of fat too? Because if you only give your body protein, it will convert that to glucose instead of using fat, and that could hinder fat loss.

Also, if you do not have a significant amount of fat to lose, it can take more time, since your body wants to hold onto the fat you have, until it is sure it can lose it, because you are feeding it enough.

So don't be afraid of calories, keep your body well fed, so it does not feel like it has to go into starvation mode in order to keep the fat you have.

5f678ffff153bfc8a17ac1ee438c054f

(1405)

on December 19, 2012
at 06:48 AM

Cooking with fat is a great way, also eggs, avocado, cashews, and sausage are great sources as well! Do you take fish oil supplements? Those help as well. What is it about fat that is hard for you to deal with?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 06:33 AM

Not long enough. I do not eat a lot of fat because I just cannot. I have tried, but I just cannot make myself to do it. I will try harder. I am not afraid of calories. I will try to add more fat, I just need to figure out a way.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 08:16 AM

I have a reaction from eggs, avocado and nuts (I have tried macadamias). It is related to my SIBO and all-meat diet definitely has a healing effect. I am just wondering when and how to reintroduce carbs. A combination of FODMAPS and GAPs perhaps. I will try in another week or two... or whenever I feel ready. Thanks for your answer. I cannot take fish oil supplements, I react. Same to all other fats that are not a part of meat and it is hard to find too much fatty meats. I need to buy a duck or something.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on December 19, 2012
at 06:08 PM

Unless I misunderstood the original post, she's *not trying to lose weight,* just wondering *why* she isn't, since she's doing keto and is (presumably) running a calorie deficit.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 19, 2012
at 06:31 PM

True. I just wanted to know - why? Because it is interesting for me to figure out what makes people gain/loose weight. Carbs? Gut bacteria? Calories?

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