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Heart Attack and Water - true or hoax?

Commented on September 27, 2014
Created April 17, 2012 at 2:14 PM

I just got an email from my sister along these lines:
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Heart Attack and Water - I never knew this !Interesting.......

Heart Attack & Water Something I didn't know either! I asked my Doctor why do I and other people urinate so much at night time. Answer from my Cardiac Doctor = Gravity holds water in the lower part of your body when you are upright (legs swell). When you lie down and the lower body (legs and etc) seeks level with the kidneys it is then that the kidneys remove the water because it is easier. This then ties in with the last statement!

I knew you need your minimum water to help flush the toxins out of your body, but this was news to me.

Correct time to drink water... Very Important. From A Cardiac Specialist!

Drinking water at a certain time maximizes its effectiveness on the body:

2 glasses of water after waking up - helps activate internal organs

1 glass of water 30 minutes before a meal - helps digestion

1 glass of water before taking a bath - helps lower blood pressure

1 glass of water before going to bed - avoids stroke or heart attack

Please pass this to the people you care about...... I can also add to this... My Physician told me that water at bed time will also help prevent night time leg cramps. Your leg muscles are seeking hydration when they cramp and wake you up with a Charlie Horse.
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I also found a web page with almost exactly the same info...
http://zadishefreeman.com/heart-attacks-water-best-times-to-drink-h2o-2/

It seems like a hoax, but before I reply to my sis (who is probably all jazzed to send me important health info), I need credible evidence.

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on September 21, 2014
at 05:39 AM

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My name is Janice i am from USA,taxes i love my mom so much that i can put my life in exchange for hers. Last week my mom was having heart failure and she fell so i had to rush her to the hospital the doctor as me for 6,000$ to commence treatment on her which i was not having so i have to go online and look for help and while i was browsing i saw this great and powerful Prophet Dr John. I saw so many testimonies about him that he can help me out so i contacted him and he asked me for some information and he did the spell and send me a parcel which he asked me to give to my mom, i gave it to her and when she drank it in the next 24 hours my mom was healed and became very strong  with this i am very happy and will no stop advertising this testimony until the word hear about it .. If you are there suffering for any type of disease or heart problem you can contact Dr John now for help email [email protected]  OR CALL HIM NOW +2347053839123....Thanks DR JOHN I AM GRATEFUL...

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on July 20, 2013
at 02:35 AM

Drinking water *right* before eating will do as you described. But the above says 30 minutes before. 30 minutes is enough time for your gastric juices to replenish without being diluted.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on May 11, 2013
at 09:22 PM

Relatives of mine. "Stupid is as stupid does..."

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on January 08, 2013
at 02:38 PM

Evidence, please. The people you refer to are the same ones telling diabetics to eat 7-11 servings of carbohydrates per day. I don't see most hunter gatherers sucking down Perrier. I drink water - WHEN I"M THIRSTY - and at no other time. You get plenty of water from food and other beverages.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on September 10, 2012
at 11:20 AM

Ha! But what are the true requirements for water?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on August 03, 2012
at 05:35 PM

Well played, sir Troll, well played!

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on August 03, 2012
at 04:17 PM

Snopes did say the claims were false or unproven. So it is in fact a hoax according to them. Kale university? Is a vegan blog. Wow - they know how to cut and paste to add "content" to their site. As the song says: "That don't impress me much."

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on July 13, 2012
at 12:12 PM

Ray Peat says most people die in the morning because of the stress of darkness at night.

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

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on April 17, 2012
at 11:08 PM

"improved circulation to the kidneys due to positioning can increase urine production while lying down in people with compromised circulation"--well, yes, if they have congestive heart failure.

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

(2056)

on April 17, 2012
at 10:58 PM

Correct, and change made.

306aa57660d911781231f8090c2a5619

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on April 17, 2012
at 09:05 PM

I think it would be more correct to say that it *can* be a symptom of sleep apnea, not that sleep apnea is the only possible cause. The explanation in the email is a bit oversimplified, but not totally inaccurate - improved circulation to the kidneys due to positioning can increase urine production while lying down in people with compromised circulation. However, the relative accuracy of that part doesn't mean the water timing suggestions have any basis in reality.

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on April 17, 2012
at 08:16 PM

"FWIW, working out in the morning both empty-of-bowel as well as fasted is a nice experience." Amen, I couldn't imagine working out any other way.

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on April 17, 2012
at 02:24 PM

I have seen it speculated before that dehydration might play a role in the Monday morning heart attack.

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5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

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on April 17, 2012
at 02:34 PM

I don't see how drinking water before eating "aids digestion"

If anything, drinking water before eating dilutes your gastric juices which could negatively affect digestion. That's why the whole "drink a bunch of water with your meal to trick your body into feeling full!" is such a bad idea.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on July 20, 2013
at 02:35 AM

Drinking water *right* before eating will do as you described. But the above says 30 minutes before. 30 minutes is enough time for your gastric juices to replenish without being diluted.

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on June 23, 2012
at 10:58 PM

This is a hoax, scroll towards bottom of Snopes post.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/water.asp

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8c0ad1f9d2df84db9b1c4420713ff650

on July 13, 2012
at 11:55 AM

WATER KILLS! 10000 out of 10000 people (100% mortality rate) had died. They all drunk water! :D

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on August 03, 2012
at 05:35 PM

Well played, sir Troll, well played!

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870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

(2056)

on April 17, 2012
at 04:59 PM

Way off base on nighttime urination (a/k/a nocturia), and I believe that the mechanism described in the email is incorrect.

It's much more likely to be a symptom of sleep apnea. From Stephen Park, MD's website:

"We???ve know for many years that frequent bathroom trips at night are not due to bladder or prostate problems, but mostly due to breathing pauses that make you wake up and and think that you have to go. Numerous studies have shown that most men and women who have to go to the bathroom often at night or have overactive bladders during the day actually have sleep apnea.

A new study confirms these findings again, but points out that the presence of frequent trips to the bathroom is as sensitive in predicting obstructive sleep apnea as snoring!

Sleep apnea also makes the body produce more urine, and because you wake up every few hours, you???ll want to go, but you won???t have a completely full bladder. Sudden shifts in blood flow into the heart after an obstructive event increases production of atrial natriuretic peptide, which makes you produce more urine. One study found that diluted levels of urine during these episodes is also predictive of having obstructive sleep apnea."

One study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8604961

Nocturia can also be caused by loss of the ability to elaborate a concentrated urine of low solute content in the nighttime hours, a sign of chronic renal disease or congestive heart failure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK293/

Note that "water intoxication" from drinking too much water is a real phenomenon, and can be fatal: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/

"Water intoxication can occur in a variety of different clinical settings but is generally not well recognised in the medical literature. The condition may go unrecognised in the early stages when the patient may have symptoms of confusion, disorientation, nausea, and vomiting, but also changes in mental state and psychotic symptoms. Early detection is crucial to prevent severe hyponatraemia, which can lead to seizures, coma, and death."

So you can send that back to your sister.

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

(2056)

on April 17, 2012
at 11:08 PM

"improved circulation to the kidneys due to positioning can increase urine production while lying down in people with compromised circulation"--well, yes, if they have congestive heart failure.

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

(2056)

on April 17, 2012
at 10:58 PM

Correct, and change made.

306aa57660d911781231f8090c2a5619

(3808)

on April 17, 2012
at 09:05 PM

I think it would be more correct to say that it *can* be a symptom of sleep apnea, not that sleep apnea is the only possible cause. The explanation in the email is a bit oversimplified, but not totally inaccurate - improved circulation to the kidneys due to positioning can increase urine production while lying down in people with compromised circulation. However, the relative accuracy of that part doesn't mean the water timing suggestions have any basis in reality.

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on July 13, 2012
at 12:31 PM

And drinking water before going to bed to reduce leg cramping will have the opposite affect. You get nocturnal leg cramps due to a potassium deficiency, and adding more water to the blood will only dilute it. Same with drinking before a meal will dilute your stomach acids and not help in digestion. Seems like the article is BS.

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on September 27, 2014
at 10:47 PM

Actually water prior to bed does help reduce leg cramps by helping your body produce the potassium lost throughout the day. And drinking a glass of water prior to meal helps to decrease your appetite by of course filling your stomach. I know this because I asked my aunt who's a physician. Just thought I'd share. 

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5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

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on April 17, 2012
at 08:09 PM

2 glasses of water after waking up - helps activate internal organs

You know what activates the internal organs? Eating good food and getting some darn exercise. If either of those activities makes you thirsty, then by all means, drink some water :-)

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on April 17, 2012
at 02:29 PM

Eh, I'd ask her for some credible evidence; the email just makes a bunch of statements with no backup, so I don't think the burden of proof is on you!

I've come to believe that pretty much any chain email regarding health is most likely a hoax, especially when it has a lot of explanation points.

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on July 20, 2013
at 01:11 AM

Something else I didn't know ... I asked my Doctor why do people need to urinate so much at night time. Answer from my Cardiac Doctor - Gravity holds water in the lower part of your body when you are upright (legs swell).

If legs swell when standing this is extravasation due to poor venous return, possibly secondary to renal insufficiency or right heart failure, congestive heart failure. The individual needs to be tested for cardiac output and renal function.

When you lie down and the lower body (legs and etc) seeks level with the kidneys, it is then that the kidneys remove the water because it is easier.

* Not true. The glomeruli of the kidneys remove fluid, toxins, enzymes, electrolytes that are above normal levels in the blood. The kidney continually monitors the blood flowing through it and adjusts levels of components, electrolyes, etc to maintain normal levels. Gravity has nothing to due with kidney function. Renal function is based upon an autonomic function of the organ, as described.*

This then ties in with the last statement! I knew you need your minimum water to help flush the toxins out of your body, but this was news to me. Correct time to drink water... Very Important. From A Cardiac Specialist! Drinking water at a certain time maximizes its effectiveness on the body: 2 glasses of water after waking up - helps activate internal organs "WHAT? They are autonomically activated continually."

1 glass of water 30 minutes before a meal - helps digestion "NO it doesn't, infact fills the stomach taking away appetite; it is good for folks who want to eat less for this reason. Digestion is accomplished by the hydrochloric acid, pepsin and bile that go into the stomach after a meal, stimulated by the stomach lining and gall bladder."

1 glass of water before taking a bath - helps lower blood pressure
Totally bizarro. No relation. Cant figure the origin of this myth. Hospitals and home health nurses would be giving lots of tub baths if this were the case.

1 glass of water before going to bed - avoids stroke or heart attack. Again critical care units would sure be giving out a glass of water at night to everyone if this were the case. No relationship to the vascular efficacy, function, emboli, obstructions, constrictions of the coronary or cerebral arteries.

I can also add to this... My Physician told me that water at bed time will also help prevent night time leg cramps. Your leg muscles are seeking hydration when they cramp and wake you up with a Charlie Horse.

Also not true. This doctor is incompetent, if he/she is infact real. Water can cause flushing of kidneys that may increase the excretion of potassium and calcium out of the blood to low enough levels to cause cramping in the legs. (This happens when a runner drinks too much plain water while running. He can die right there of cardiac arrest as the serum potassium goes to a critical low level. He should drink Gaterade or Pepsi instead of plain water, and dont drink tooo much).

A Cardiologist has stated that if each person after receiving this e-mail, sends it to 10 people, probably one life could be saved! What is the intention of this writer? Is is a mental illness, control issue, feelings of grandeur. It is false and in fact harmful. I recommend my statements be passed along!!
Patricia O'Rourke, RN, BSN, MS, MBA, CHCM, CSHM, SSBB

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on April 24, 2013
at 09:24 AM

Logically enough it sounds correct that water enters into our system and makes the blood thinner. Thereafter it goes to clean the kidneys. This means that we need not depend on blood thinning medicines like Ecospirin / Ecospirin gold where the later is prohibitive in cost. Kicking off the natural God given process why should we depend on the artificial medicines at a cost is the question? The saying that copious water if drunk would create undue pressure on the heart which is a burden to the heart, thereby causing failure needs correction. On the other hand, the heart will find it easier to pump because the water would act as a cleansing and thinning agent. No doubt the logic would go a step further to say that a heart patient should not suddenly resort to drinking copious water but increase the intake gradually over a period of time.

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on January 08, 2013
at 09:55 AM

Well Pilgrims you need to go to the well at least six glasses a day for the most efficient functioning of your bod. The health & wellness folk, MDs, exercise proponents etc have been touting water consumption for ever! Whut kin it hurt Pilgrims? Try it you might like it!

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on January 08, 2013
at 02:38 PM

Evidence, please. The people you refer to are the same ones telling diabetics to eat 7-11 servings of carbohydrates per day. I don't see most hunter gatherers sucking down Perrier. I drink water - WHEN I"M THIRSTY - and at no other time. You get plenty of water from food and other beverages.

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on January 04, 2013
at 08:55 PM

"2 glasses of water after waking up - helps activate internal organs"

Oh God. I hope my internal organs don't deactivate every night!

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on September 27, 2012
at 08:09 PM

This is on a different level of silly.

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on September 27, 2012
at 07:25 PM

THERE MUST BE A LAW AGAINST STUPIDITY,EVEN SHEER GUILEBILITY!!!

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on April 17, 2012
at 02:31 PM

2 glasses of water after waking up - helps activate internal organs.

I believe this one somewhat. I don't think any of it sounds terribly credible, and even for the one I like, "activate internal organs" sounds kinda ridiculous.

Years ago when I had lower GI issues, I decided that training myself to have a BM at least once a day (and if possible in the morning) would be a good thing. I had read in some Ayurvedic literature that a cup of water left in a copper glass on the bedstand and drank in the morning could/would help these kinds of issues. Also, walking for a few minutes.

So I tried it for a while. Drank a glass of water, walked around doing a couple morning chores, and within 30 minutes, then soon 20, then soon 10 I would have a BM.

These days I hop out of bed, take a sip of water, and I'm ready to go. :-)

FWIW, working out in the morning both empty-of-bowel as well as fasted is a nice experience.

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on April 17, 2012
at 08:16 PM

"FWIW, working out in the morning both empty-of-bowel as well as fasted is a nice experience." Amen, I couldn't imagine working out any other way.

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on September 21, 2014
at 08:49 AM

This is indeed very informative thread.

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on September 21, 2014
at 05:38 AM

HOW I CURED MY MOTHERS HEART PROBLEM WITH THE HELP OF A POWERFUL SPELL CASTER.

My name is Janice i am from USA,taxes i love my mom so much that i can put my life in exchange for hers. Last week my mom was having heart failure and she fell so i had to rush her to the hospital the doctor as me for 6,000$ to commence treatment on her which i was not having so i have to go online and look for help and while i was browsing i saw this great and powerful Prophet Dr John. I saw so many testimonies about him that he can help me out so i contacted him and he asked me for some information and he did the spell and send me a parcel which he asked me to give to my mom, i gave it to her and when she drank it in the next 24 hours my mom was healed and became very strong  with this i am very happy and will no stop advertising this testimony until the word hear about it .. If you are there suffering for any type of disease or heart problem you can contact Dr John now for help email [email protected]  OR CALL HIM NOW +2347053839123....Thanks DR JOHN I AM GRATEFUL...

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on May 14, 2013
at 01:15 AM

No regimen in the universe will apply equally to each and every person who practices it. The gene pool is so varied and diluted that what applies to your own sister may work well for her and cause your demise. Standard practice for me is to do as much as I can and then rest, eat when I am hungry, run when I need to get fresh wind, bicycle on a pretty day, sleep when I am tired and enjoy what life there is in each day. I drink when I am thirsty and that is all. If the doctor disagrees then we shall put her impressions to the test; whoever lives longer owns the bragging rights. Over and out.

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on May 08, 2013
at 08:16 AM

What kind of idiots post these kinds of things without first investigating their veracity?

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on May 11, 2013
at 09:22 PM

Relatives of mine. "Stupid is as stupid does..."

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on April 29, 2013
at 05:50 AM

It gets even better (or worse, depending on how you look at it). Women who drank two or less glasses of something other than water – such as tea, a soft drink, or juice – had a 147% greater risk for a fatal heart attack than women who drank five or more glasses of water. (Guys, you had a 46% greater risk if you skipped the water for another drink.)

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on January 04, 2013
at 07:42 PM

So much good information. And yet I am always desperately seeking relief from severe nocturia. No real help so far, and I try to take all the obvious precautions, e.e., limit liquids after 6:00.

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on August 29, 2012
at 08:00 AM

At least this way you get 4-5 glass of water in a day:)

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on September 10, 2012
at 11:20 AM

Ha! But what are the true requirements for water?

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on August 03, 2012
at 03:12 PM

No not a hoax and Snopes did not say that. The Kale University lists the article on their site and it is word for word as in the "email". Maybe everyone should read this one.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on August 03, 2012
at 04:17 PM

Snopes did say the claims were false or unproven. So it is in fact a hoax according to them. Kale university? Is a vegan blog. Wow - they know how to cut and paste to add "content" to their site. As the song says: "That don't impress me much."

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