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Wahls Diet vs. High Organ/Seafood/Eggs Paleo for MS?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 17, 2012 at 1:59 PM

I'm curious about whether anyone with MS has cleared their symptoms without the HUGE amount of veggies recommended by Dr. Wahls?

I LOVE what she's doing, but I can't imagine that many people will find her diet sustainable for very long.

It seems to me (intuitively) that Vitamin D, magnesium, plus a nutrient-dense diet is what's really needed--not 9 cups of vegetables every day.

What am I missing?

(I don't have MS, but I know a few folks who do...)

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on September 23, 2012
at 12:13 AM

Getting hung up on whether this is a cure or not is a lousy answer.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on February 17, 2012
at 09:56 PM

Is she post Vitamix Blender by Montel Williams :)....Sounds right up his alley too.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 17, 2012
at 05:35 PM

I never heard of Cordain or DeVany until I found Mark Sisson via the Four Hour Work Week...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2012
at 04:51 PM

She may have done this pre-Harris, Sisson, but not pre-Cordain, DeVany.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2012
at 04:50 PM

I do not begrudge her trying to make money on promoting her diet. (Better her ,than Ornish or OZ!)I'm trying to do the same! I was just answering your specific question re: her "nine" cups of veggies "rule". I'm only skeptical of her not citing the "giants on who's shoulders she now stands-(Newton) No mention of Harris, Sisson, et al.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 17, 2012
at 04:16 PM

By the way, I am very happy for her to make $$$ promoting her diet. She is channeling the $$$ back into research and we definitely need more research to support Paleo.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 17, 2012
at 04:14 PM

By the way, I am very happy for her to make $$$ promoting her diet. She is channeling the $$$ back into research and we definitely need more research to support Paleo. I don't think she is being ego-centric here, just sharing what worked for her.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 17, 2012
at 04:11 PM

I think she may have come to it through identifying the nutrients needed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2012
at 03:53 PM

Question for you : does she credit any Paleo" Mavin "for leading her toward Paleo? I haven't seen any mention in her videos. She acts like she "invented the Paleo Diet wheel" herself. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 17, 2012
at 03:17 PM

She does recommend juicing for those who don't/can't eat all that fiber.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 17, 2012
at 03:17 PM

How do you eat your veggies, shah? And what kind do you eat primarily?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2012
at 03:15 PM

Nine cups is not the "gas machine" that you imagine. Probably something you need to get used to, but not an inevitable "ending".

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2012
at 03:10 PM

Let me revisit your question. I feel better on my high starch days. I fell more Full", with less digestive stess thoughout the day.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2012
at 03:04 PM

I have noticed little difference between my high veggie weeks, my high starch weeks or my higher fat weeks. Less chewing/meal time is about the only difference.:).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2012
at 02:59 PM

Exactly,the "nine cup" rule becomes a deterrent to a potential neophyte.That's just the down side of Capitalism. Almost from the get go , Walhs is undercutting her own "crusade" by tring to distiquish herself from the Paleo- guru -herd. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 17, 2012
at 02:42 PM

For sure, Annie! But for folks in the early stages of MS, 9 cups of veggies might be a deterrent to starting sooner. I'd hate to see folks waiting, trying other solutions and suffering when they could eat a diet far less time-intensive & get the same results.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 17, 2012
at 02:37 PM

Thanks, shah! So have you noticed a difference in your symptoms between high vs. low veg?

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on February 17, 2012
at 02:37 PM

Ton of veggies, but the diet is supported by her improved health. If I had MS, it would certainly be worth 9 cups of veggies a day for a potential cure. How sustainable is MS in the long run?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on February 17, 2012
at 02:25 PM

Yeah, thats a ton of vegetation. I was kind of hoping some vegetation could be replaced with those other things too.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2012
at 02:29 PM

good question ,as usual. (DF); The answer: $$$$$$$$. the nine cups of veggies seperates her from Harris, Sisson et al. Otherrwise, she is just another face in the "MD-PALEO" crowd. Nine cups of veggies gives her a brand. ....And I say this as someone who eats OVER nine cups of veggies most days. For almost a year now I've been a "high- veggie- Archevore ". But I can buy her book, buy her seminars, and transform myself into a "Dr. Wahls Paleo". I give Terry Walh's video link to all my clients, friends and family. I use her story to reinforce/broaden my own "Defeating Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue schtick", but the nine cups of veggies-as-talismanic-quality thing is just plan marketing BS! Great BS, but still marketing BS! :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2012
at 03:10 PM

Let me revisit your question. I feel better on my high starch days. I fell more Full", with less digestive stess thoughout the day.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 17, 2012
at 02:37 PM

Thanks, shah! So have you noticed a difference in your symptoms between high vs. low veg?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2012
at 03:04 PM

I have noticed little difference between my high veggie weeks, my high starch weeks or my higher fat weeks. Less chewing/meal time is about the only difference.:).

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on February 17, 2012
at 03:07 PM

I wonder what part of her success was due to starch restriction. She eliminated potatoes and other starches from her diet, and that might have been very sensible for somebody with a neurodegenerative disorder. For healthier young people without a hint of insulin resistance, however, I don't think it makes sense to limit oneself this way. Basically, she's eating an amount of fiber fit for an ape and I can only imagine how much gas that causes...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2012
at 03:15 PM

Nine cups is not the "gas machine" that you imagine. Probably something you need to get used to, but not an inevitable "ending".

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on February 17, 2012
at 03:17 PM

How do you eat your veggies, shah? And what kind do you eat primarily?

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on February 17, 2012
at 03:17 PM

She does recommend juicing for those who don't/can't eat all that fiber.

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on September 22, 2012
at 10:02 PM

I don't know. If you listen to some of her interviews, she is a HUGE proponent of omega 3. She said initially eating a paleo diet did help, but it was not until she started eating an omega 3 emphasized paleo diet that her recovery really got under way. When you think about, large amounts of green vegetables will provide ALA, which could be a very beneficial component (she uses flax oil on salads and seems to favor walnuts).

I asked a question a couple months back about ALA, and then did some researchand it does seem that there may in fact be more benefits to ALA rich diet than an EPA/DHA rich diet, as ALA is the parent-essential fatty acid, which has a more diverse role in influencing our genome.

So, yeah a nutrient dense diet is great for most people, but I tend to think of Wahls as the definitive expert on curing MS with (mostly) dietary interventions, so if I were concerned about MS I'd eat a diet more in line with what she recommend. And, anecdotally I am very concerned about keeping my mitochondria functioning and in tip top condition for the rest of my life, so I do try to eat more seafood and greens these days. I always eat fresh salads, but do notice that nothing seems as inflammation soothing as side of steamed broccoli (though, to be honest, this is probably at least partly psycho-somatic in nature).

I say if you feel great eating the way you do, then you shouldn't worry...but...regardless I would still incorporate some nutrient dense greens and seafood into your diet along with the other stuff.

On a side note, I don't think I could handle as many greens as she does just because it would give me digestive distress and make me bloated and gassy. I feel much better eating a couple mixed green salads (romaine, green and red leaf lettuces) and 1 steamed vegetable a day (usually broccoli).

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on September 22, 2012
at 09:39 PM

She still has that pale sickly look of people with MS. I have that look, so recognize it when I see it. She's better, not cured, that's obvious.

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on September 23, 2012
at 12:13 AM

Getting hung up on whether this is a cure or not is a lousy answer.

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