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A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

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on May 20, 2012
at 04:58 PM

Well! How about that. I don't get nearly as much sun as everyone around here gets (I have an autoimmune disorder where my body attacks itself with sun exposure - fun). However, I have been cycling in more liver. I am going to skip a week and then add it in again and see if there is a difference. Argh, so many variables!

E68bdbd83e45fd5be130e393ace9c9a9

(2058)

on May 20, 2012
at 03:20 PM

Liver is also a huge rosacea trigger.... Makes me regret all the times I choked down yucky liver because I thought it was helping my skin...

E68bdbd83e45fd5be130e393ace9c9a9

(2058)

on May 20, 2012
at 03:19 PM

Redness around right nostril --- I had the same thing, as well as what I thought was occasional acne, but NO! It was actually rosacea! You might look into rosacea especially if you are of Northern European background. My right nostril used to get really red and swollen and I didn't know what was going on. Paleo didn't help. As it turns out, many things people recommend for acne are NOT recommended for rosacea. (Sun is the biggest one!) Dairy is also perhaps the best-known rosacea trigger...

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on August 04, 2011
at 08:18 PM

The formal paleo greeting: Hello! How are your stools?

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on August 04, 2011
at 05:59 AM

WaveHunter: it's possible to OD on retinol which is dangerous, toxic levels cannot be excreted, retinol uses the same pathways in the body that vitamin D does and thus can contribute to D deficiency, and it's very easy to get much much more than RDA from real food. Based on all that I think huge amounts of supplemental retionol are a bad idea.

36b7a2776d028dc8d5743e2e56ece34d

(812)

on July 30, 2011
at 05:50 PM

nice sounds like your good on a and d

244293be0b369882b5de4c5cc2efa6ce

(126)

on July 30, 2011
at 02:42 AM

I eat about 2 or 3 pounds of liver a week already. and I take 4000 IU Vitamin D every day, 2000 IU if I get a lot of sun.

1ccc0b0b7a756cd42466cef8f450d0cb

(1811)

on July 30, 2011
at 01:52 AM

I find that fermented raw milk dairy has the opposite effect on my skin - it actually improves my acne. A recent review making the paleo circles (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21281494) discusses the benefits of yogurt and CLO on acne.

1ccc0b0b7a756cd42466cef8f450d0cb

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on July 29, 2011
at 11:34 PM

Weird. I have issues with dairy but I find raw, grass-fed dairy actually improves things.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on July 29, 2011
at 10:54 PM

Since I started with the occasional zinc supplement I don't have the spotty white nails for the first time in my life... not that that was a problem really, but it's interesting. I get slightly over RDA many days of zinc from all the red meat I eat, but RDA is a pretty rough guideline and it may be that many people need more, or much more, of a certain nutrient... especially if they were formerly deficient.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on July 29, 2011
at 08:16 PM

What a great app.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2389)

on July 29, 2011
at 08:10 PM

Antibiotics usage ? How are your stools ?

36b7a2776d028dc8d5743e2e56ece34d

(812)

on July 29, 2011
at 07:54 PM

Why would you advise against 'massive' supplementation of vit A?

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on July 29, 2011
at 07:36 PM

Ditto on the zinc. You can have my bottle when you pry it from my cold dead hands. Also supplementing D, B3 and B5 have shown good results for many.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on July 29, 2011
at 07:21 PM

I would advise against massive A supplementation of this nature, but I think maximizing retinol consumption in whole foods is a great first step. I go very far over my RDA of retinol daily from heavy cream, eggs, liver and other animal products.

306905a32e76b5c0764a663ea7e88426

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on July 29, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Same here, I'd been dairy free for months then caved in and had some greek yoghurt - skin blotches on my face overnight. Back to coconut cream...

36b7a2776d028dc8d5743e2e56ece34d

(812)

on July 29, 2011
at 04:48 PM

And for you it could not be vitamin A, it could be vitamin D. Or even zinc or iodine like AnimalCule said. Or it could be PUFA detox. There are a lot of variables that you have to control.

36b7a2776d028dc8d5743e2e56ece34d

(812)

on July 29, 2011
at 04:46 PM

Grass fed beef fat and marrow barely have any retinol. Liver has a lot but unless you're eating 1lb per week you probably need more Vitamin A. I personally get Vitamin A Supp from Whole Foods derived from CLO which is really cheap but has maybe 1/4 gram of soybean oil which I'm not worried about.

244293be0b369882b5de4c5cc2efa6ce

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on July 29, 2011
at 04:16 PM

Well, I think I get plenty from all the grass fed beef fat, liver and marrow that I eat. I can eat liver more often if that would help, my source is cheaper than CLO.

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26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on July 29, 2011
at 04:17 PM

When I was VLC and didn't eat a lot of vegetables, I still had acne (although it was better than it had been in many years).

Dairy products such as yogurt and cheese seemed to aggravate my skin. When I cut those out, but still ate lots of butter and cream, it improved.

Now I am moderate carb 'primal' (still eat butter, cream, but restrict solid dairy products ETA: just in case, and because they make me phlegm-y. When I do indulge, I do not get pimples any more) and eat lots of veggies. My skin is clear and beautiful for the first time since I was 14. I also take a zinc and kelp supplement irregularly, and D when I am not getting sunshine. Zinc and idodine are both factors for those of us who struggle with acne.

It's a delicate balance and IMO it goes far beyond one particular food aggravating the skin. It's much more to do with having good nutritional and hormonal status, and a varied whole foods diet is the best thing for that.

It took over a year of primal eating, and lots of experimenting, before my acne was cured. How long have you been doing this?

ETA #2: I consume up to a pint of heavy cream per day, go through 3-5 pints per week usually. Again, my skin is gorgeous, so that is definitely not causing me problems.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24276)

on July 29, 2011
at 07:36 PM

Ditto on the zinc. You can have my bottle when you pry it from my cold dead hands. Also supplementing D, B3 and B5 have shown good results for many.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 29, 2011
at 10:54 PM

Since I started with the occasional zinc supplement I don't have the spotty white nails for the first time in my life... not that that was a problem really, but it's interesting. I get slightly over RDA many days of zinc from all the red meat I eat, but RDA is a pretty rough guideline and it may be that many people need more, or much more, of a certain nutrient... especially if they were formerly deficient.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 04:04 PM

I you have an android phone there is an app called Task:Life that's supposed to remind you to do daily tasks and record your success in % days accomplished. I bet they have something like it for iphone. Either way, I wanted to test whether nuts made the skin on my legs break out, so I put two daily questions:

  1. Did you eat nuts?
  2. Did your skin breakout?

Of course to really test this a nut-free (butter for you of course) and a nut-full week or even a month would be good, but once you have the data you can see if there is a correlation at least. I don't have enough data points to do that yet, but I'm looking forward to seeing what happens.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2389)

on July 29, 2011
at 08:16 PM

What a great app.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78407)

on July 29, 2011
at 08:10 PM

one more person chiming in to say that dairy messes up my whole system! i'm mildly lactose intolerant, but can eat hard cheese or common butter (where there's still a bit of lactose, unlike cultured butter or ghee) without getting a stomach ache. but... it gives me terrible acne, and slows down bowel movements, produces excess phlegm, and leaves me with a funky taste in my mouth for about 24 hours.

make sure the butter you're using is high quality, or fermented. or ghee! or just switch to coconut oil.

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D2e6eb2ab91f5e11589cf34b44b8e4cd

on July 29, 2011
at 05:33 PM

I believe dairy causes skin issues. My husband has psoriasis and tried a raw milk fast for 3 days and his psoriasis and acne flared up tremendously. Since going off and eating a strict Paleo diet he is seeing relief now. He was surprised because in his mind he always linked the skin issues to gluten/grains.....

306905a32e76b5c0764a663ea7e88426

(1072)

on July 29, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Same here, I'd been dairy free for months then caved in and had some greek yoghurt - skin blotches on my face overnight. Back to coconut cream...

1ccc0b0b7a756cd42466cef8f450d0cb

(1811)

on July 29, 2011
at 11:34 PM

Weird. I have issues with dairy but I find raw, grass-fed dairy actually improves things.

1ccc0b0b7a756cd42466cef8f450d0cb

(1811)

on July 30, 2011
at 01:52 AM

I find that fermented raw milk dairy has the opposite effect on my skin - it actually improves my acne. A recent review making the paleo circles (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21281494) discusses the benefits of yogurt and CLO on acne.

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A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4176)

on May 20, 2012
at 02:16 PM

I haven't had any dairy other than butter for a few months but I am still having some skin issues. I am mildly lactose intolerant so I didn't think anything of it. Well, I've eliminated it for three days and my skin is noticeably improving. Acne improved somewhat but the biggest thing is I have this redness around my right nostril that has been there forever and it is finally fading. Who knows if this is related to something else, but I am going to keep away from butter for another month and then reintroduce and see if my face skin blows up. Now I am just embarrassed that it took me so long to consider butter dairy... stupid, stupid, stupid.

23af3bd6a43affb8f3249cfe8cf9705d

on October 13, 2014
at 07:34 AM

I seriously just started considering this... I rarely eat any dairy EXCEPT Kerrygold, and as it's so delicious and Sisson-paleo approved, when I first went paleo I started including it in my daily diet. I have to say I used to have bouts of terrible cystic acne, and after I truly cut out all wheat for good, those awful painful ones cleared up.

 

BUT I still have tons and tons of tiny whiteheads around the jawline and chin (not visible to the casual observer but still). I guess I just wanted the butter to be good for me so badly because of the benefits of grass-fed butter I've read about, but since I've also been off ANY added sugar at all for two weeks, all grains and all other dairy... I'm starting to wonder if these white bumps (which I have a really bad habit of picking at) are because I eat a tablespoon or two of butter every day!

E68bdbd83e45fd5be130e393ace9c9a9

(2058)

on May 20, 2012
at 03:20 PM

Liver is also a huge rosacea trigger.... Makes me regret all the times I choked down yucky liver because I thought it was helping my skin...

E68bdbd83e45fd5be130e393ace9c9a9

(2058)

on May 20, 2012
at 03:19 PM

Redness around right nostril --- I had the same thing, as well as what I thought was occasional acne, but NO! It was actually rosacea! You might look into rosacea especially if you are of Northern European background. My right nostril used to get really red and swollen and I didn't know what was going on. Paleo didn't help. As it turns out, many things people recommend for acne are NOT recommended for rosacea. (Sun is the biggest one!) Dairy is also perhaps the best-known rosacea trigger...

A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4176)

on May 20, 2012
at 04:58 PM

Well! How about that. I don't get nearly as much sun as everyone around here gets (I have an autoimmune disorder where my body attacks itself with sun exposure - fun). However, I have been cycling in more liver. I am going to skip a week and then add it in again and see if there is a difference. Argh, so many variables!

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E34fbfa1bca9ae970c9c7313bf9de9f8

(1436)

on July 29, 2011
at 05:33 PM

The only way to be certain would be to eliminate the butter while keeping the other variables the same. Try a 30-60 days butter free and see if you're still having problems. I'm going through the same thing (shoulder acne) but eliminating other things first, and hoping it's not the butter :)

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on July 12, 2013
at 07:09 PM

Yes. I think Kerrygold's process leaves more casein in the butter than other brands. One woman found Irish made butter caused acne while some other brands didn't. Ghee or clarified butter is even better because the process gets the remaining proteins out.

I think there is a big cross reaction going on between casein, something in wheat (gluten or gliadin), and whatever the hell is in soy (even soy lethicin can cause problems). These can all cause acne.

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B5d73e68a9ecccf81abb85ed2767b639

on July 12, 2013
at 06:56 PM

Hi! I've been on the Virgin Diet since the beginning of 2013 (it eliminates dairy for 3 weeks (along with other foods!) then you reintroduce them and see what it does to you...I systematically DON'T EAT dairy (bar an occasional treat) and my face is SO clear!! I can tell you from my experience Ghee and butter does the same to my face! So I would 100% believe its the butter you're eating....I would switch to bacon fat or coconut oil! Love them both!! Good Luck!!

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12fb4f8de15dd73ded0068c7bdd971c5

on May 08, 2013
at 07:01 AM

Hi, Any sort of fatty foods (chocolate, candy, McDonald's and, yes, butter) can give someone acne.

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124fdb2d77941a28cfe8502ccb676441

on August 04, 2011
at 08:16 PM

If you look at the writings by Loren Cordain, you will see that both the potatoes and butter could be your problem. By his definition, if you are eating either, you are not eating paleo. He describes the details of how grains, milk products and legumes all contribute to acne ... and nuts may be a factor as well.

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on July 29, 2011
at 07:43 PM

I stopped getting acne after vitamin D supps, cod liver oil, zinc, tons of coconut oil in my diet, no carbs except vegetables, and by living a non-stressful life. I also drink rooibos tea, go out a lot and wash with dead sea salt. I use sangre de grado and aloe vera to heal skin.

The difference between my skin now and my skin 2 months ago is enormous :) I actually thought about eating butter because it has vitamin K2 in it, but I decided not to do it because I hate the smell of ghee.

0
896162c5cd0b39e2e030e9bb17093eaa

on July 29, 2011
at 04:59 PM

It did for paleo pepper, she blogged about it not long ago.

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36b7a2776d028dc8d5743e2e56ece34d

on July 29, 2011
at 04:08 PM

How much vitamin A do you consume from liver, CLO, or supplement? If zero that could be part of the problem.

Vitamin A is important for the skin and I basically cured my low level skin acne from large doses of vitamin A. I do about 20,000-40,000 IU in supplements daily.

Vitamin D is important too and interacts with Vitamin A.

36b7a2776d028dc8d5743e2e56ece34d

(812)

on July 29, 2011
at 04:46 PM

Grass fed beef fat and marrow barely have any retinol. Liver has a lot but unless you're eating 1lb per week you probably need more Vitamin A. I personally get Vitamin A Supp from Whole Foods derived from CLO which is really cheap but has maybe 1/4 gram of soybean oil which I'm not worried about.

244293be0b369882b5de4c5cc2efa6ce

(126)

on July 29, 2011
at 04:16 PM

Well, I think I get plenty from all the grass fed beef fat, liver and marrow that I eat. I can eat liver more often if that would help, my source is cheaper than CLO.

36b7a2776d028dc8d5743e2e56ece34d

(812)

on July 30, 2011
at 05:50 PM

nice sounds like your good on a and d

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 29, 2011
at 07:21 PM

I would advise against massive A supplementation of this nature, but I think maximizing retinol consumption in whole foods is a great first step. I go very far over my RDA of retinol daily from heavy cream, eggs, liver and other animal products.

36b7a2776d028dc8d5743e2e56ece34d

(812)

on July 29, 2011
at 07:54 PM

Why would you advise against 'massive' supplementation of vit A?

36b7a2776d028dc8d5743e2e56ece34d

(812)

on July 29, 2011
at 04:48 PM

And for you it could not be vitamin A, it could be vitamin D. Or even zinc or iodine like AnimalCule said. Or it could be PUFA detox. There are a lot of variables that you have to control.

244293be0b369882b5de4c5cc2efa6ce

(126)

on July 30, 2011
at 02:42 AM

I eat about 2 or 3 pounds of liver a week already. and I take 4000 IU Vitamin D every day, 2000 IU if I get a lot of sun.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on August 04, 2011
at 05:59 AM

WaveHunter: it's possible to OD on retinol which is dangerous, toxic levels cannot be excreted, retinol uses the same pathways in the body that vitamin D does and thus can contribute to D deficiency, and it's very easy to get much much more than RDA from real food. Based on all that I think huge amounts of supplemental retionol are a bad idea.

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