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Have you had your mercury amalgam fillings removed? Why or why not?

Commented on September 23, 2015
Created February 29, 2012 at 5:27 PM

I have a mouth full of mercury amalgam fillings (prob. 14 or so, some huge ones) that I had done about five years ago (thank you, college dining room soda fountain!) I developed thyroid issues over the past two years that have proven difficult to treat, and my nurse practitioner wants to test my mercury levels, suspecting heavy metal poisoning as a cause of my thyroid problems.

I've read a bunch of conflicting information about the safety of these fillings, some saying that the amalgam is bound and excreted in harmless form, others saying that it collects in the brain, eyes and thyroid in significant amounts and effects thyroid hormone conversion. I certainly can't afford the work needed to remove the huge amount of metal in my mouth right now, but I'm wondering if it's something I should save for in the future or if I'm falling prey to scare tactics.

Anyone have any success resolving health issues by removing mercury fillings?

E24390f6d880f9144cdf7ab13220a84a

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on May 07, 2014
at 06:02 AM

What were his neurological symptoms?

E24390f6d880f9144cdf7ab13220a84a

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on May 07, 2014
at 03:10 AM

Can someone explain why can't they just put a resin cap over the amalgam filling? That at least prevents the vapor from entering the system?

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:39 AM

Health Canada is not a naturopth, last I checked. hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/md-im/applic-demande/pubs/… "Mercury vapour is continuously evolved from the filling surface and this release is stimulated by chewing, tooth brushing or bruxism (grinding the teeth). The process continues as long as the filling is in the tooth. The vapour can be inhaled or dissolved in saliva and swallowed... "

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:38 AM

Forgot to quotation marks. That's a quote from their site.

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:38 AM

Health Canada is not a naturopth, last I checked. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/md-im/applic-demande/pubs/dent_amalgam-eng.php#a3 Mercury vapour is continuously evolved from the filling surface and this release is stimulated by chewing, tooth brushing or bruxism (grinding the teeth). The process continues as long as the filling is in the tooth. The vapour can be inhaled or dissolved in saliva and swallowed...

F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

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on January 20, 2013
at 02:18 AM

I no longer have amalgam fillings simply because the teeth have cracked or become more decayed and the fillings have been replaced by crowns. I feel no different bodily, but these crowns suck.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on March 04, 2012
at 01:13 AM

Shah78, I'm like you. I'm at a spectrum of health where clarity (mine) intersects with the wall of deception, lies and collusion. a lot of people here aren't stupid they're just really nice trusting folk... Unfortunately, I used to be like that then watched my daughter suffer a lot if mercury toxicity. If one doesn't become aware in this lifespan then it eii certainly obvious by their grandchildren or their great grand children's lifespan. I am optimistic that all things are reversible by the grace of higher spirits, community and work but I wonder at what point it's just too late...

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

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on March 02, 2012
at 04:05 PM

It's true that many composite fillings contain BPA, but there are alternatives if you can find a dentist who works with BPA-free biocompatible filling materials. It's also true that prevention is the best plan, but for unfortunately for some of us, it's too late for that.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

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on March 02, 2012
at 03:52 PM

@Happy Now, I'd also like to hear the negatives you've heard about topical glutathione - thanks! I used NAC before switching to Oxicell, and it didn't seem to do much for me.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 02, 2012
at 01:37 AM

I certainly respect your view.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on March 02, 2012
at 01:00 AM

Look, you can spread all the FUD based on kooks all you want, it's your money. I did my research, and came to the conclusion that having my fillings removed would itself cause more harm than keeping them in my mouth due to released vapors and lack of studies showing AMALGAM FILLINGS (not mercury alone) cause mercury toxicity. And replacing them with another questionable material is not exactly my idea of a solution.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 01, 2012
at 11:50 PM

I avoided spending the 2 grand for years. But I can tell you ,I'd start eating pizza and cokes and canola oil straight from the bottle ,if I had to ,rather than put that Mercury back in my mouth. And as I said above, I've just begun the chelation ORDEAL.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78447)

on March 01, 2012
at 11:46 PM

I truly understand the problem of getting one's mind around the fact that your "nice" family dentist is actually some not so distant a fraternity brother of Joseph Mengele. But really they evacuate schools when a kid breaks a mercury thermometer. The mercury amalgam package has a skull and cross bones on it! They place old amalgams in RED BOXES> But somehow when its place in Little Johnny's rear molar it becomes as safe as grass fed beef.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 01, 2012
at 11:39 PM

@grace:What a nice thing to say. You made my day. No one(except a few) get 90% of the shit I say on this site. Eventually I'll figure out how to actually communicate on the computer.Not yet :(

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on March 01, 2012
at 11:29 PM

Wispet, put 'mercury' into pubmed and see whatcha get... Even better google 'mercury' and any disease and 'integrative' or 'functional medicine '. Unfortunate these are the only MDs that get it and are not @$^# unwitting shills of Big Pharma and Big Dental and Big Agra/Monsatan... Good questions nice to see people question and employ thei big phat brai s for viable solutions. Just like the PALEO DIET

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on March 01, 2012
at 11:25 PM

Shah78. Youre a rockstar! And you crack me up. Keep up the strong work!

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on March 01, 2012
at 09:27 PM

That's 20 years old animal study, and there are human studies coming to inconclusive or no-ill-effects conclusions. I feel you: I felt paranoid about that for years until I took some time to do research, and asked my dentist.

Abc6a2c0a2906de3d0246f02ca31b6d7

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on March 01, 2012
at 06:22 PM

Did you read the abstract that I linked to? Mercury does leech from fillings and gathers in tissues according to that study, and it accumulates in significant amounts over time. My concern is if this is enough mercury to cause health issues in myself or any potential kids I have in the future. Trust me, I wish there were no proof that this stuff accumulates in the body as my mouth is full of it and I can't afford removal, but I'm not sure how to explain this study otherwise.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on March 01, 2012
at 06:10 PM

It's common knowledge mercury itself is harmful which has been proven beyond any doubt, but there's no proof that mercury bound in amalgam fillings leeches (in harmful levels) into one's blood.

A9f5784aa2b5a1ed9ca086a64e3ab708

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on March 01, 2012
at 05:09 PM

What? Cilantro and chlorella no good? Hmmm, I learn something new everyday. I'll look into Cutler's ideas. You know, Dental Hygiene is so important, it should be considered as part of Step 4 of the PHD [Perfect Health Diet]. I've been getting small cavities filled over the past years (composite). My new hygienist, 5 weeks ago, advised me to get a diet with high nutrient density, a la W.A.P. I now floss, use mild soap for toothpaste, and use Water Pic everyday. Even use coconut oil pulling. I read P.H.D. book 3 weeks ago. Very good. To your health - tom.

Abc6a2c0a2906de3d0246f02ca31b6d7

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on March 01, 2012
at 05:08 PM

OK. What about this? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2227216 Mercury itself is clearly harmful, so wouldn't the storage of mercury in organs and tissues prove harmful, as well?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 01, 2012
at 02:21 PM

Wisper, you sound just like the CW food/nutrition guys. Maybe, just maybe the "kooks" are correct. I tried to cure my hormonal issues with my mercury in my mouth and had success, but limited succes. Now it seems like I can get some much more out of the Paleo diet and workouts(gym/bedroom). I'm happy to abort the (n=1) experiement at any time if things go bad. So far , so good.Why is the idea of the ADA =Monsanto so outrageous?A trillion dollars in potential tort cases can perpetuate many lies. Let's talk. Vent all you like!

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on March 01, 2012
at 02:02 PM

No, I haven't, and won't. All claims against amalgam are from people who either sell anti-amalgam literature or related products, or "naturopaths" or some other euphemism for "hack."

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 01, 2012
at 01:55 PM

WTH does all of that mean? What is this protocol supposed to do? Any studies backing up its efficacy?

662a4ea915eb7c758bdd797d77ead7b6

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on March 01, 2012
at 01:54 PM

Wow, thank you shah, I really need to do this. Do you suggest a certain manufacturer for either ALA or DMSA? Thanks again

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 01, 2012
at 01:52 PM

There's no STUDY showing amalgam fillings cause issues AFAIK, but there are studies showing they don't, and I know, I've looked.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on March 01, 2012
at 01:51 PM

Not only that, removing the amalgam fillings will cause mercury exposure to you and the dentist.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on March 01, 2012
at 11:30 AM

Personally I do both but the topical is more of a hassle. I haven't anything negative about oral liposomes or topical glutathione. Can u fill me in? Unless liposomal, I aware that other forms are not appreciably bio active or absorbed via the gut. I like NAC but let's say the metals deactivate the enzyme which transforms NAC to glutathione...? I believe James Adams did a prospective trial with topical glutathione which was compelling to me. Combined with DMSA metals were safely removed with significant measurable improvements.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on March 01, 2012
at 04:04 AM

Grace I have been cautioned away from glutathione by several people who suggested NAC instead. I'd be curious about your take on that recommendation?

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on March 01, 2012
at 01:00 AM

Caution -- need good metabolism, bile, bowels and excretion for disposal of said toxins and Mercury removal. These need to be up to speed or mercury removal will potentially be re-distributed into other areas of the body... http://balancedconcepts.net/liver_phases_detox_paths.pdf

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on March 01, 2012
at 12:58 AM

Thanks Kimmie -- great sources. We use topical glutathione either compounded or from Kirkland labs (amazon.com or direct). Personally I don't think a little gluten is bad. Some people (celiac) genetically have less DPP-IV which degrades gluten. Guess what mercury does? It inactivates DPP-IV among many other enzymes and proteins, including thyroid related ones. Which comes first like the chicken and the egg? Mercury and other toxins or gluten sensitivity????!

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

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on March 01, 2012
at 12:56 AM

I'm in San Antonio, TX. The price surprised me too, I had expected it to cost so much more. I don't know how many amalgams I had total, but there were at least a dozen - probably more. I wonder if I'm going to get hit with a "we didn't charge you enough" bill somewhere down the road...

Abc6a2c0a2906de3d0246f02ca31b6d7

(225)

on February 29, 2012
at 10:49 PM

Hey Kimmie, glad to hear you've found some relief from thyroid issues! I have to wonder though, where are you from that you could have a mouth full of fillings removed and replaced without insurance for just $600? Everything I'm reading about prices is stating a range of $200-1000 per tooth, depending on if a crown is needed. I'll look into the glutathione, thanks!

2d1729002574093032132b662b536226

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on February 29, 2012
at 10:36 PM

I have had a lot replaced due to failure also. Same thing as you -- decay under the filling. Some were so bad I got crowns since there was little tooth left. Never drank soda in my life, always hated it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78447)

on February 29, 2012
at 10:36 PM

I do it on my own. A don't think there is a MD in this country that know's how to do it! Scary, but very Lewis and Clark. Cuttler provides the map though! ALA any supplement source. DIRT CHEAP! DMSA from VPR.COM Wait for a Sale a stock up!.... Amazingly, the ALA wakes me up every three hours. Its unreal. I'm real sensitive to "everything" anyway, and I feel the 100% Paleo makes me even more sensitive to the half life of the ALA. This stuff is a trip. Its like drinking coffee every three hours, but you can go to sleep whenever you chose. Talk about Alice in ALA land!

662a4ea915eb7c758bdd797d77ead7b6

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on February 29, 2012
at 10:22 PM

Hi shah, I was looking at an Andy Cutler protocol for chelation and he says all mercury should be removed before starting a round, so, after that is done do you do this with a dr, or on your own, and where do you get all the "supplements" and how do you address the having to wake up to do the every three hour thing. THAT sounds the most painful

662a4ea915eb7c758bdd797d77ead7b6

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on February 29, 2012
at 09:14 PM

Where do you find Cutlers protocol, I need to remove toxic metals from my system too.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 29, 2012
at 08:41 PM

Chlorella adn cilantro may be the amalgam CW analog of "heart healthy whole wheat. !Please check out Cutler's protocol. He warns against chlorella and cilantro as being "False" chelators. I pretty much bet my life on his judgement and it seems to be paying off. Good luck

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 29, 2012
at 07:02 PM

Agreed. I think chlorella and cilantro aid in mercury detoxing.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on February 29, 2012
at 06:13 PM

I think part of it is because they're drilling/shattering/vaporizing some of the filling when they drill it out. But a large part is CYA.

Abc6a2c0a2906de3d0246f02ca31b6d7

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on February 29, 2012
at 06:07 PM

Yeah good point, I would lose a lot of natural tooth if they drilled the fillings out, and they are quite large already. It's just scary to keep them in with all of the anti-amalgamists rallying about how these fillings are going to kill me or make me have autistic babies.

Abc6a2c0a2906de3d0246f02ca31b6d7

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on February 29, 2012
at 06:03 PM

Dorado, did you have existing health issues that prompted the removal? I'm not pro-amalgam, but I think dentists take extra steps because the removal process releases much more mercury in a short period of time than what would normally be released/excreted/absorbed from the fillings on a daily basis.

De267f213b375efca5da07890e5efc25

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on February 29, 2012
at 05:49 PM

The dose makes the poinson. The OP is exposed to 14 fillings worth of mercury. A dentist is exposed to several times that amount in their career, not to mention radiation and a whole bunch of other hazards.

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De267f213b375efca5da07890e5efc25

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

Remember that removing fillings not only costs money, time, and discomfort but redoing them also means losing more natural tooth and exposing yourself to more chemicals, from the new fillings and the drugs used to add them. I would say stick with the ones you've got and add no more until the ADA recommends that dentists stop using them, which could happen soon. In the mean time, check your serum mercury levels.

Abc6a2c0a2906de3d0246f02ca31b6d7

(225)

on February 29, 2012
at 06:07 PM

Yeah good point, I would lose a lot of natural tooth if they drilled the fillings out, and they are quite large already. It's just scary to keep them in with all of the anti-amalgamists rallying about how these fillings are going to kill me or make me have autistic babies.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 01, 2012
at 01:51 PM

Not only that, removing the amalgam fillings will cause mercury exposure to you and the dentist.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on February 29, 2012
at 07:02 PM

Agreed. I think chlorella and cilantro aid in mercury detoxing.

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on February 29, 2012
at 07:03 PM

I've got one tooth that has them and have decided that it's less risky to have the chronic exposure of mercury vapor inhalation/swallowing than it would be to risk an acute poisoning if the dentists Fs up the procedure. I'm not sure what I'd do if I had that many. I do consciously make an effort to chew less on that side though. I've seen papers where gum chewers with amalgam fillings have waaaay more mercury exposure, so don't do that.

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on February 29, 2012
at 05:40 PM

Yes, had mine removed. I realize there are "conflicting claims" about the potential dangers of mercury fillings, but: If issues of toxicity are part of your dietary and lifestyle calculus -- if they show up on your radar screen of reasonable concerns -- then I simply do not see how one can be apprised of the horrific poisoning effects of mercury, and sleep well knowing it's in your mouth.

Would any pro-mercury-fillings folks be willing to account for why dentists take extraordinary steps to protect against mercury poisoning when they remove mercury fillings at the request of patients?

Abc6a2c0a2906de3d0246f02ca31b6d7

(225)

on February 29, 2012
at 06:03 PM

Dorado, did you have existing health issues that prompted the removal? I'm not pro-amalgam, but I think dentists take extra steps because the removal process releases much more mercury in a short period of time than what would normally be released/excreted/absorbed from the fillings on a daily basis.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

(8280)

on February 29, 2012
at 06:13 PM

I think part of it is because they're drilling/shattering/vaporizing some of the filling when they drill it out. But a large part is CYA.

De267f213b375efca5da07890e5efc25

(3747)

on February 29, 2012
at 05:49 PM

The dose makes the poinson. The OP is exposed to 14 fillings worth of mercury. A dentist is exposed to several times that amount in their career, not to mention radiation and a whole bunch of other hazards.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 01, 2012
at 01:52 PM

There's no STUDY showing amalgam fillings cause issues AFAIK, but there are studies showing they don't, and I know, I've looked.

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on February 29, 2012
at 09:12 PM

I'm a dental hygienist and as I understand this, when amalgams are removed mercury aerosol is produced. In addition, many of the composite fillings used contain BPA. The best approach to dentistry is a preventative one. Brush, floss, and regular cleanings. IF you need restorative work, you can get gold onlays instead of fillings. Just find a dentist that's really experienced in this.
Another option is to find a holistic dentist that is CERTAIN that her composite filling material will not produce BPA.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

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on March 02, 2012
at 04:05 PM

It's true that many composite fillings contain BPA, but there are alternatives if you can find a dentist who works with BPA-free biocompatible filling materials. It's also true that prevention is the best plan, but for unfortunately for some of us, it's too late for that.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 29, 2012
at 08:24 PM

I am on my fourteenth round of Andy Cutler's mercury chelation protocol. My tentative take on its value (I'm planning on doing this for atleast 100 round!) is that for me, it's equal to the whole value of the Paleo lifestyle. I imagine the percentage will grow as the months pass. I love being on the Alpha lipoic acid every two to three hours. Good for weight lifting, sex, mood, even sleep.Fun dreams right before the ALA half life "effect" wakes me up at night like clock work. Cutler has it nailed people. He is the Kurt Harris of Mercury Chelation, and he is a honey bagger, as well. I feel my 100% Paleo approach has taking much of the side effects out of Culter's protocal. Cutler claims a lot of foods groups interact with the ALA and DMSA(Mostly certain veggies.) Grass fed beef/sheep/fat doesn't screw up the process. There is a certain stress to the chelation,but the Paleo diet really helps.And it should. Isn't that what all the hype is about!!!! The fucking diet actually works when you need it most.!!!!! Luckily my dentist did a good job.I felt nothing good or bad from the removal. The chelation phase is where the Magic happened.I recommend PROPER amalgam removal and PROPER low dose oral ALA chelation.( N+1 )has lead me to side with all the Anti-amalgam hysteria "crazies." The mercury vapor made me sick/crazy, and I know it, because I'm far less sick/crazy after only 14 weeks. QED

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 02, 2012
at 01:00 AM

Look, you can spread all the FUD based on kooks all you want, it's your money. I did my research, and came to the conclusion that having my fillings removed would itself cause more harm than keeping them in my mouth due to released vapors and lack of studies showing AMALGAM FILLINGS (not mercury alone) cause mercury toxicity. And replacing them with another questionable material is not exactly my idea of a solution.

662a4ea915eb7c758bdd797d77ead7b6

(656)

on March 01, 2012
at 01:54 PM

Wow, thank you shah, I really need to do this. Do you suggest a certain manufacturer for either ALA or DMSA? Thanks again

662a4ea915eb7c758bdd797d77ead7b6

(656)

on February 29, 2012
at 10:22 PM

Hi shah, I was looking at an Andy Cutler protocol for chelation and he says all mercury should be removed before starting a round, so, after that is done do you do this with a dr, or on your own, and where do you get all the "supplements" and how do you address the having to wake up to do the every three hour thing. THAT sounds the most painful

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78447)

on March 01, 2012
at 11:39 PM

@grace:What a nice thing to say. You made my day. No one(except a few) get 90% of the shit I say on this site. Eventually I'll figure out how to actually communicate on the computer.Not yet :(

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on March 01, 2012
at 11:25 PM

Shah78. Youre a rockstar! And you crack me up. Keep up the strong work!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78447)

on February 29, 2012
at 10:36 PM

I do it on my own. A don't think there is a MD in this country that know's how to do it! Scary, but very Lewis and Clark. Cuttler provides the map though! ALA any supplement source. DIRT CHEAP! DMSA from VPR.COM Wait for a Sale a stock up!.... Amazingly, the ALA wakes me up every three hours. Its unreal. I'm real sensitive to "everything" anyway, and I feel the 100% Paleo makes me even more sensitive to the half life of the ALA. This stuff is a trip. Its like drinking coffee every three hours, but you can go to sleep whenever you chose. Talk about Alice in ALA land!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78447)

on March 01, 2012
at 11:50 PM

I avoided spending the 2 grand for years. But I can tell you ,I'd start eating pizza and cokes and canola oil straight from the bottle ,if I had to ,rather than put that Mercury back in my mouth. And as I said above, I've just begun the chelation ORDEAL.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78447)

on March 01, 2012
at 11:46 PM

I truly understand the problem of getting one's mind around the fact that your "nice" family dentist is actually some not so distant a fraternity brother of Joseph Mengele. But really they evacuate schools when a kid breaks a mercury thermometer. The mercury amalgam package has a skull and cross bones on it! They place old amalgams in RED BOXES> But somehow when its place in Little Johnny's rear molar it becomes as safe as grass fed beef.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78447)

on March 01, 2012
at 02:21 PM

Wisper, you sound just like the CW food/nutrition guys. Maybe, just maybe the "kooks" are correct. I tried to cure my hormonal issues with my mercury in my mouth and had success, but limited succes. Now it seems like I can get some much more out of the Paleo diet and workouts(gym/bedroom). I'm happy to abort the (n=1) experiement at any time if things go bad. So far , so good.Why is the idea of the ADA =Monsanto so outrageous?A trillion dollars in potential tort cases can perpetuate many lies. Let's talk. Vent all you like!

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 01, 2012
at 01:55 PM

WTH does all of that mean? What is this protocol supposed to do? Any studies backing up its efficacy?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78447)

on March 02, 2012
at 01:37 AM

I certainly respect your view.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on March 01, 2012
at 11:29 PM

Wispet, put 'mercury' into pubmed and see whatcha get... Even better google 'mercury' and any disease and 'integrative' or 'functional medicine '. Unfortunate these are the only MDs that get it and are not @$^# unwitting shills of Big Pharma and Big Dental and Big Agra/Monsatan... Good questions nice to see people question and employ thei big phat brai s for viable solutions. Just like the PALEO DIET

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on March 04, 2012
at 01:13 AM

Shah78, I'm like you. I'm at a spectrum of health where clarity (mine) intersects with the wall of deception, lies and collusion. a lot of people here aren't stupid they're just really nice trusting folk... Unfortunately, I used to be like that then watched my daughter suffer a lot if mercury toxicity. If one doesn't become aware in this lifespan then it eii certainly obvious by their grandchildren or their great grand children's lifespan. I am optimistic that all things are reversible by the grace of higher spirits, community and work but I wonder at what point it's just too late...

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(30)

on February 29, 2012
at 08:15 PM

I had all of mine replaced with composite, doing one quadrant at a time. A Hair Analysis test might find only slightly elevated levels of mercury. However, it can also test for all of the heavy metals (lead, cadmium, etc). I discovered 10 years ago that I had toxic amounts of aluminum. I realized that I was eating from my favorite Mandan Village replica terra cotta bowl whose black patina was slowly being consumed which each meal. So good-bye bowl. My naturopathic doctor prescribed malic acid pills to bind and take out the aluminum. Now my levels are below toxic range. Back then, during my amalgram days, the mercury seemed a tad elevated, but not way above range, so maybe the hair analysis method is not so good for testing mercury. Take chlorella and cilantro to help bind with mercury so the liver can send them towards excretion. There are good chutneys made with cilantro. I hope in time you will be able to change your fillings from amalgram to composite, even if its one tooth per year. Your dentist might figure out which amalgrams are the best candidates to take out first. To your Health and ours.

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(78447)

on February 29, 2012
at 08:41 PM

Chlorella adn cilantro may be the amalgam CW analog of "heart healthy whole wheat. !Please check out Cutler's protocol. He warns against chlorella and cilantro as being "False" chelators. I pretty much bet my life on his judgement and it seems to be paying off. Good luck

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on February 29, 2012
at 09:14 PM

Where do you find Cutlers protocol, I need to remove toxic metals from my system too.

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(30)

on March 01, 2012
at 05:09 PM

What? Cilantro and chlorella no good? Hmmm, I learn something new everyday. I'll look into Cutler's ideas. You know, Dental Hygiene is so important, it should be considered as part of Step 4 of the PHD [Perfect Health Diet]. I've been getting small cavities filled over the past years (composite). My new hygienist, 5 weeks ago, advised me to get a diet with high nutrient density, a la W.A.P. I now floss, use mild soap for toothpaste, and use Water Pic everyday. Even use coconut oil pulling. I read P.H.D. book 3 weeks ago. Very good. To your health - tom.

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(20898)

on November 06, 2012
at 07:26 PM

Normally, this is one topic where I'd say don't worry about it. Usually people get all scared about mercury and it doesn't matter because the mercury is already bound to something else. But since I didn't know anything about this topic, I did a quick visit to wikipedia just to find out what the amalgum is:

In dentistry, amalgam is an alloy of mercury with various metals used for dental fillings. It commonly consists of mercury (50%), silver (~22-32% ), tin (~14%), copper (~8%), and other trace metals.

So that actually scares me. There's no chemistry here - i.e., no bonds. We have mercury, solver, tin, and copper as an alloy (that is just the molecules stacked together, no chemical bonds holding them together). So there is definitely some release of mercury (and silver, tin, and copper) into your mouth from the filling.

I can't say how much and if it's actually would be worse to remove it and expose yourself to the removal process (analogous to removing asbestos. It's often better just to leave it there than it is to disrupt it and get it back into the air while removing it). But I can say that whatever mercury is released is elemental mercury which is worse than bound mercury.

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(3703)

on March 01, 2012
at 01:41 AM

Good luck Shrimp! No easy task to make the right choices on your path to health. I look back at college days and recall ALL the things that affected my health negatively -- college stress, family stress, college dining refined and/or processed foods (Big Agra cereal, pasta, bread ALL DAY, pesticide-salad greens and vegs probably covered with antifungals and bromides which adversely affect endocrine glands, soda, mochas with HFCS, etc) -- BLAAARGH!

You probably had more vaccinations (mercury) for HepB, menigitis, swine flu and annual influenza... WHAT A TOXIC BURDEN TO BEAR in addition to said new amalgams.

We could single out 'metals' but it's not the only toxic burden unfortunately.

  • http://www.integrativerd.org/docs/preFNCE%202009%20All%20Powerpoint%20Presentations[1].pdf

It sounds like your endgame goal is: health, recovery of thyroid/adrenals/gonads, and eventually ROCKSTAR fertility and non-autistic, healthy children. No?

Yeah, IMHO I'd concur that you don't want hypometabolism (a form of cr*p hibernation), excessively low body temps or sluggish functioning. Under these circumstances, the kids produced (if even fertility) studies show have lower IQ when TSH is > 2.0 (although likely savant and ASD/ADD spectrum). Thyroid demands are HUGE during pregnancy as this is one of the prime hormonal regulators of transformation, development and neurologic and physiologic growth... (take away thyroid from developing tadpoles and they don't morph).

You will get there. Many of us are or have. Dave Asprey lost 100 lbs, cured the adrenals/thyroid, reversed his Asperger's and is 'done'. ha ahaa! See page 9 of the Roger Lawson interview where he tells me how... (chelation, addressing overgrowth issues (candida), adrenals -- well that was dinner -- 10 g salt daily, sometimes glandulars, biofeedback with high tech which is like meditation, paleo diet, blah blah)

http://www.bulletproofexec.com/podcast-transcript-12-sexification-with-roger-lawson/9/

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(4528)

on February 29, 2012
at 08:18 PM

Sounds like we're in the same boat, Shrimp - a mouthful of old amalgams and oh-so-fun thyroid problems. After years of mildly annoying sluggish thyroid symptoms, I started getting sick close to a year ago - chronic fatigue, cold extremities, weight gain, thinning eyebrows etc. etc. Thyroid medicine (both T4 and T3) have not helped. Although I was never tested for mercury toxicity, (in retrospect, I probably should have been, but my doctor kept insisting there was nothing wrong with me) I am now convinced that years of mercury exposure are a major player in my health issues. I had all of my fillings removed in November 2011. It was not cheap, since my insurance only pays for one filling every two years, and only for amalgams, (facepalm) but it was less than I expected - about $600 all said and done. It was money well spent. For the first time in almost a year, my energy is improving and I'm starting to feel more like myself again. Of course having my mercury removed may not explain everything, but I do believe it helped.

If you decide to have your amalgams removed, please make sure whoever does it uses rubber dams and constant suction during the removal, since, as Evelyn wisely points out, it can make you even sicker if done carelessly. Look for a "biological" or holistic dentist who specializes in safe mercury removal. Take lots of vitamin C. Consider taking chlorella and cilantro extract to chelate the excess mercury after the removal.

It's also worth mentioning that I've begun taking a topical glutathione supplement because I've read that there's a strong correlation between low levels of glutathione (the body's primary antioxidant) and Hypothyroid/Hashimoto's. Amalgam fillings can be the culprit behind the glutathione depletion in the first place, and I'm almost certainly low. There is a solid link between mercury toxicity and thyroid malfunction, and glutathione depletion may explain that connection.

Good luck!

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(3703)

on March 01, 2012
at 12:58 AM

Thanks Kimmie -- great sources. We use topical glutathione either compounded or from Kirkland labs (amazon.com or direct). Personally I don't think a little gluten is bad. Some people (celiac) genetically have less DPP-IV which degrades gluten. Guess what mercury does? It inactivates DPP-IV among many other enzymes and proteins, including thyroid related ones. Which comes first like the chicken and the egg? Mercury and other toxins or gluten sensitivity????!

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(24553)

on March 01, 2012
at 04:04 AM

Grace I have been cautioned away from glutathione by several people who suggested NAC instead. I'd be curious about your take on that recommendation?

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(4528)

on March 01, 2012
at 12:56 AM

I'm in San Antonio, TX. The price surprised me too, I had expected it to cost so much more. I don't know how many amalgams I had total, but there were at least a dozen - probably more. I wonder if I'm going to get hit with a "we didn't charge you enough" bill somewhere down the road...

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(225)

on February 29, 2012
at 10:49 PM

Hey Kimmie, glad to hear you've found some relief from thyroid issues! I have to wonder though, where are you from that you could have a mouth full of fillings removed and replaced without insurance for just $600? Everything I'm reading about prices is stating a range of $200-1000 per tooth, depending on if a crown is needed. I'll look into the glutathione, thanks!

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(3703)

on March 01, 2012
at 01:00 AM

Caution -- need good metabolism, bile, bowels and excretion for disposal of said toxins and Mercury removal. These need to be up to speed or mercury removal will potentially be re-distributed into other areas of the body... http://balancedconcepts.net/liver_phases_detox_paths.pdf

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(3703)

on March 01, 2012
at 11:30 AM

Personally I do both but the topical is more of a hassle. I haven't anything negative about oral liposomes or topical glutathione. Can u fill me in? Unless liposomal, I aware that other forms are not appreciably bio active or absorbed via the gut. I like NAC but let's say the metals deactivate the enzyme which transforms NAC to glutathione...? I believe James Adams did a prospective trial with topical glutathione which was compelling to me. Combined with DMSA metals were safely removed with significant measurable improvements.

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(4528)

on March 02, 2012
at 03:52 PM

@Happy Now, I'd also like to hear the negatives you've heard about topical glutathione - thanks! I used NAC before switching to Oxicell, and it didn't seem to do much for me.

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(20378)

on February 29, 2012
at 06:28 PM

I have just replaced them as they have failed.

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(20)

on November 06, 2012
at 08:56 PM

Originally I had a couple removed because they were squishing sideways and splitting my teeth ("a CAP... you mean I need a ROOT CANAL??") which points out how bad the original dentist was.

Then I had a couple replaced due to the amalgam scare - and noticed something - I was no longer tasting metal in my mouth as much.

I LIKE it when what I'm eating doesn't taste like an aluminum frying pan. SO I did it over a period of a couple of years, but YES, all are now replaced.

:)

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(358)

on November 06, 2012
at 08:06 PM

I've had my fillings replaced with gold as they failed. Insurance pays for amalgam, but I just pay the difference in cost and much of the cost is for labour. I also look at gold prices when timing replacements. Gold lasts forever, amalgam & composite do not, so in the long run I hope to save money.

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(432)

on November 06, 2012
at 07:13 PM

Whether or not mercury is as dangerous as some tout it to be, I figured I would be safe rather than sorry. I had mine removed and replaced them with a less controversial substance. I used the Huggins protocol with holistore. I don't know if its perfect, but I haven't had a problem yet.

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on February 29, 2012
at 07:27 PM

Get tested for the possible toxicity first. Especially if we're talking about a "mouthful".

The removal of the fillings can be acutely toxic in and of itself if the dentist does not employ a lot of measures to minimize this.

So ... if it's an issue, then have it done. If it's not then replace as needed. The resin fillings have problems of their own. I have sensitivity in the two teeth I had my only amalgams (30 year old fillings at that!) replaced with resin fillings. Not bad, but I "feel" those teeth now for the past couple years.

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(8280)

on February 29, 2012
at 06:15 PM

I've had some fillings replaced, but only because they failed over the years. Amalgam fillings are not for life. And what I found on my large ones is that they get undermined over time. So there's decay under them that will need to get drilled out at some point.

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(78)

on February 29, 2012
at 10:36 PM

I have had a lot replaced due to failure also. Same thing as you -- decay under the filling. Some were so bad I got crowns since there was little tooth left. Never drank soda in my life, always hated it.

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(4266)

on January 20, 2013
at 02:18 AM

I no longer have amalgam fillings simply because the teeth have cracked or become more decayed and the fillings have been replaced by crowns. I feel no different bodily, but these crowns suck.

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on January 28, 2015
at 08:00 PM

I am 57 years old and have 14 silver amalgam fillings.  The last filling I had was put in in 1973.  It's now 2015 and all the fillings are lasting and lasting.  I appear to have zero problems with the fillings.  I am sympathetic to those who do have problems with mercury.  I am against the use of mercury or any substance that is known bad for the body.  It is disingenuous for any scientest to claim the safety of mercury any yet not in the same sentence address the environmental disposal protocol issues when it is removed from your mouth.  Disgustingly disingenuous.   However, I guess my philosophy is "If its not broke, dont fix it."  The ony time I have ever suffered in my life was when I ignored that rule.  I will keep monitoring myself over the long haul for any of the mercury poisioning symptoms.  These discussions of all the bad things that can happen cause a chill in my awareness.  I simply do not understand the large variation in human reaction to the same stimulus.  I am an avid health freak and supplement often and take care of my health.  I am not depressed, never have been and am motivated continually.  Maybe I am under grace.  Knock on wood.  :-)  Anybody else in my predicament with this issue - debating the fixing of what isn't broken ? 

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(0)

on September 23, 2015
at 07:09 PM

Lol, Ok... So, the other day I had my sister count the number fillings I have had continually in my mouth since 1973.  There were 19 present (not my guess of 14)  :-(   great. 

So, I read Huggins work on Amalgams.  One fact he stated was that 'older' Amalgam fillings when measured for Hg content did not register at the 50% concentration of the metal as they would have if brand new.  He interpreted the difference in percent mercury as proof that the mercury had escaped from the fillings - a fair assessment from my point of view.  Presumably it had escaped either by reacting with food or by sublimation from a solid straight into gaseous form.   His sample size for the discussion was 2 fillings he's had analyzed.  The one that got my interest was an amalgam that was 20 years old.  The mercury content had dropped to only 5% mercury.  Wow...  So, if a 20 year old amalgam was measured to have dropped to only 5% mercury then my 42 year old amalgams (and older) must by now be pretty low in mercury content also.  This is a thought and obsrevation I thought I'd share here located in the middle of this page since my first comment.

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(0)

on July 23, 2015
at 07:18 PM

One more thing I think might be important to add.  As I stated previoiusly, my last filling was put in 1973 - the ones prior to that before 1970!  I noticed from culling through reports that a lot of the complaint today have to do with recently installed fillings.  Have the amalgam compositions changed?  Do they make these amalgams different today than they used to?  I would NEVER get another.  And, If I thought anything were affecting me I'd have them replaced immediately.  I'm pretty proactive when I have a good reason to be.  In this case however, I have been informed 40+ years after the event which makes me hesitate until something (else) happens.

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(0)

on July 15, 2015
at 09:53 PM

Hi Pone...sorry for the long delay in response.  Left the comment and then lost the URL.    I only have my health to point to (thus far) as far as stating that I am not aware of being affected.  It I simply never get sick, ever.   Never have bad symptoms, bad days, feeling funny, etc.  I am watching this though.  Thanks for the recommendation of Quicksilver test...I'll look for it.   

I am aware of the chemistry that is involved with Hg, I know all about Huggins and Boyd Haley's work.  This is what worries me.  That's why I was here.  In regards to people getting their filings removed I noticed that a lot of people who are motivated to have them removed seem very ill for one reason or another.  Today I'd certainly never have Hg put into my mouth again, that's for sure.  But, to spend thousands of dollars without symptoms?  One question I have is how many people are there like me.  In these debates the advocacy almost seems religous which doesnt sit well with me.   Further as I read I get a sense that people actually get infused with greater amounts of Hg in their systems as a consequence of the removal procedures.  At least that's what they say.  Then, they need to detox from that!  That's a scary situation to get into for me. 

I am also worried about damage to my remaing teeth that may occur from removal of fillings that have been there for 45 years.  This is what primarly keeps me from pulling the trigger.  My mouth is fine today and I'd be mad/furious at everything if my own actions messed it up.  The fillings seem pretty large when I look at them so there may not be much tooth under a lot of them.  I don't know. 

I and my family do sweat a lot.  Maybe that is what has protected me.  The sweating is not due to Hg either as the other brother who sweats as much as I does not have Hg fillings.  It's genetic sweating I think.

I find myself fighting a reverse placebo effect mostly.   I am very health aware these days but have these fillings since my growing up years. It seems I should be having symptoms...and yet, I don't (and don't want to either).   In an ideal world I'd prefer to have no metal in my mouth.

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(3)

on January 28, 2015
at 09:45 PM

Tom, what is your proof that mercury does not affect you?   The fact that symptoms are not catastrophic is not a good measure of this.   If I had 14 amalgams (a lot!) I would want to measure both the load of mercury in my blood, as well as the disposal, to make sure that you dispose of the load you have efficiently.   The best test for this is the Quicksilver Mercury Tri-Test, which looks at blood, hair, and urine together.   I would be shocked if someone with that many amalgams did not have a high blood load and would also be shocked if you were disposing of it as rapidly as you collect it.

 

Mercury can do subtle things.  For example, if it gets inside the mitochondrial inner membrane, it can substitute for iron-sulfate complexes in the electron transport chain.  You could end up having aerobic metabolism that is 20% less efficient (and getting worse as you accumulate more mercury), and you will pass this off to "old age".

 

I agree with you don't fix what is not broken, but the criteria for "is not broken" should be an objective scientific test and not subjective symptoms.

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on May 07, 2014
at 03:46 AM

I have a pretty scary story about mercury fillings. My step-dad, before he met my mom, nearly went crazy because of a mercury filling leaking. The thing is that no one knew what was wrong with him, either. He visited tons of doctors, ect, and they didn't know why he was so sick. While he was sick, he did things he regrets like quitting his job and selling his house, because he was absolutely bonkers. Finally a nutritionist figured out what was wrong with him and got him on the necessary supplements to fix the problem. I'd get those fillings removed.

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(3)

on May 07, 2014
at 06:02 AM

What were his neurological symptoms?

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on July 03, 2013
at 02:55 AM

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(3)

on May 07, 2014
at 03:10 AM

Can someone explain why can't they just put a resin cap over the amalgam filling? That at least prevents the vapor from entering the system?

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on April 17, 2013
at 09:24 PM

It is dangerous to remove amalgam fillings even using a qualified dentist. Take it from me dont take the chance of causing yourself harm if its not necessary. I cant give you all the details here but analgam removal is not worth the risk. Trust me i was seriously harned by si called " safe" amalgam removal.

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(2506)

on March 02, 2013
at 12:49 PM

Does swapping out amalgam fillings with mercury-free substitutes really help? I think there is a lot of anecdotal info on the internet that suggests the answer is "definite, maybe". ;-) If you are looking to overcome health issues I would not look at amalgam removal as the first line of treatment. However if after diet/supplements you are faced with amalgam removal or taking some serious prescription drug intervention I consider going with the amalgam removal ... to the best what one can afford. Although many have reported zero improvement after the procedure I don't recall anyone regretting the action.

Thankfully Paleo has worked wonders in resolving my big three nightmares: psoriasis, IBS and GERD. Yet my hypothyroidism, diagnosed just last June, persists. I might get tested for mercury toxicity (..I think one sends a hair clipping to a lab) should my condition not improve in the coming months. I have one ancient (1960s) small filling that is certainly replaceable. However my other filling, circa 2001, is so large that it would need to be replaced with a crown (..yuck).

_Lazza

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:41 AM

My dentist told me to redo 2 of my 5 amalgam fillings, so I researched the issue. In the end, I went to a holistic dentist and replaced them all. From my research, I concluded the following.

Most important: If you do remove fillings, do it with a holistic dentist or one that understands how to do it, otherwise the removal process will dump way more mercury into your body then just having them sit in your mouth This means using a dental dam and oxygen so as not to inhale the particles.

This isn't scientific but I have read enough case histories of people who had serious medical issues that went away after removal to conclude that for some people it makes a huge difference. But I also think that it won't make a big difference for most.

For me, I did it during the period in which I switched to a paleo/WAP diet and I can't separate out which of the many improvements I experienced were from the dietary change and which were from the amalgam removal. There was no instant and huge effect.

My gut tells me that the protocals of taking chelating substances for months and years after amalgam removal aren't warrented, and are even dangerous. People feel bad for long times and it's all said the be herx reactions. hmmmm.... I took chlorella and spirulina for a while after the removal. At least I was confident they wouldn't do damage.

It is also worth noting that Norway, Denmark, and Sweden have banned the use of amalgams.

Good luck!

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on March 02, 2013
at 04:54 AM

Well, the mercury is killing people...and...so@? What are you saying on this or are you with the people killing everbody else???????

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on January 25, 2013
at 02:36 PM

I had a heap of problems after oral galvanism of these fillings and i also had thyroid problems and chronic sinus . The answer to all your concerns lies in one question (am i healthy). If you are really fit and healthy and you have amalgam fillings in your mouth then the filling obviously havent degraded and they are not effecting your health. If you are sick you should see a holistic dentist get him or her to check the fillings to see if they are degraded. If they are producing electricity like mine were then they will offgas mercury at a greater rate. They could also have degraded from other reasons , the holistic dentist can measure how much mercury is coming of the fillings using a gerome meter and also get hair samples taken to see if you have heavy metals in your system. If you have elevated mercury levels and degraded fillings then this is of great concern and you should have the fillings removed by an expert who uses a rubber dam and takes the seriousness of the situation serioulsly !!!! I hope this clears up some of your confusion these fillings are extremely toxic but they need to be degraded for this to be the case . iM really glad i dont have them in my mouth anymore

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:48 PM

My thyroid problems started in high school eventually warrenting the removal of my thyroid. A few years later i started getting massive debilitating migranes. I never thought about the 14 silver fillings in my mouth. 4 years ago i started working for a company with great dental insurance and it was suggested to get every one replaced. I did. Not a headache since.

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