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4 hour body by Tim Ferriss

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Have you personally found (after trying for a sufficient time) any of hacks in Tim Ferriss' book 4 hour body (http://www.fourhourbody.com/) useful?

Cod liver oil, almond butter on celery sticks, AGG, fermented cod liver oil, brazil nuts + almonds, high-fat shake before sleep, etc. Anything worked for you?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on September 26, 2012
at 12:36 AM

Yeah I understand that possibility. I just don't think that he's novel or anything. It's like this. So now, KC, you are into paleo and you know generally what's new and what's not. It would be like Tim Ferris writing a book on intermittent fasting and grass fed animals are the best things ever. Now you and I know they are valuable, but we also have known about these things for at least some time, so reading a book that consolidates the two is not really groundbreaking. Also, the question was edited from what it originally was (Is Tim Ferris Paleo?).

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on September 26, 2012
at 12:04 AM

I didn't know steak and almonds increase testosterone. Even if an author reintroduces ideas, sometimes it's ok - I don't think I would have been exposed to the ideas )which you already know) had I not read this book. He's already got a huge fan base from 4 Hour workweek so others who normally wouldn't be familiar with the ideas he espouses now are exposed, because they know to read his book ;) Mostly my whole life I've been exposed to "whole wheat is great for you!" and didn't hear anything different in my 32 years until I met my nutritionist (ok ok, now i'm 33 ;)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on September 25, 2012
at 08:53 PM

The question used to be "is tim ferris paleo?" was it not? I am not whining either.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on September 25, 2012
at 08:52 PM

The question used to "Is Tim Ferris Paleo?" And I'm not whining.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 25, 2012
at 08:28 PM

-1 for not addressing the question that was actually asked and then whining about the obvious when someone downvoted you. Have an opinion and take your lumps just like the rest of us.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 25, 2012
at 08:21 PM

+1 absolutely awesome stuff

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on September 25, 2012
at 07:48 PM

I welcome your down vote when it is not done anonymously and you have some constructive criticism. but then again, this is an opinion thread, not debating facts and fiction, so one can't really be in the wrong.

Acf3f15ef2f914d0684960ed21a81bd5

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on September 25, 2012
at 05:50 PM

Yeah, the theory is that it lowers your body temperature, which causes drowsiness and prompts your brain for sleep. I have found that cold showers do work to put me to sleep faster, but not super ice cold showers; as majkinetor mentioned, these tend to actually keep me up because it's a bit of a shock to my system. Those showers are better for in the morning, if you can put up with the misery.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on September 25, 2012
at 03:20 PM

Real cinnamon has a sweet taste. The stuff in the coffee shops and most people's kitchens in the U.S. is Cassia, which is spicy, and is not cinnamon. Try the real stuff - it makes coffee amazing!

A9808a71e03d9b9602aae53622c64d70

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on August 31, 2012
at 03:50 PM

It makes me sleep better. I think I have trouble sleeping when my core temperature is high thanks to exercise. A cold shower (or getting cold by any other means) sorts this out and lets me sleep.

B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

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on September 20, 2011
at 12:29 AM

Works even better if you cycle between hot and cold. So a few minutes hot followed by a few minutes cold 3 - 5 times. It flushes the blood from the muscles helping to clean out waste metabolites and thus aiding recovery.

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

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on September 19, 2011
at 08:27 PM

That he looks like Steve O...I didn't even consider the other connotation.

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

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on September 18, 2011
at 07:45 AM

Sounds scary. Thanks god, I only have white fillings :)

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on September 16, 2011
at 03:21 PM

In that he looks like Steve O, or in that he's a jackass?

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on September 16, 2011
at 03:20 PM

@jared - I do the same, and it's a wonderful treat. I call it the Paleo Espresso.

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

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on September 16, 2011
at 02:34 PM

Cinnamon also helps regulate blood sugar, so it's a double dose of awesome compared to putting sugar in your coffee. I put a bit of cinnamon and heavy whipping cream in my espresso...it makes me happy.

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

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on September 16, 2011
at 02:32 PM

I would tend to agree with you. My first instinct is that it would do the exact opposite. I don't think it PUTS YOU TO SLEEP but if you do it shortly before bed, the claim is that you sleep deeper. I won't knock it til I try it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 16, 2011
at 12:15 PM

Cinnamon may be a little sweat, there are 3 kinds of it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 16, 2011
at 12:14 PM

SLeep better ? Thats absurid. It activates symphatetic system which should be attenuated when you go to sleep. It wakes you up like a nothing else.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78407)

on September 16, 2011
at 12:12 PM

When you were I child, it was amalgam [unless you are 5], and probably the more toxic one then one used today. If those are not white [or gold], its amalgam. 1 or 2 amalgam fillings might not be a problem. I had 10 which I reduced to 5. Its not a problem for everybody which depends on genetics, but no matter how many you have, you and your microflora still get poisoned. If you add ALA which works as chelator it may bring it in your brain. Then you stop ALA, and it stays there, forever. No blood/hair test can find it, except brain biopsy.

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

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on September 16, 2011
at 10:47 AM

Wow, thing about amalgam fillings is interesting! Is there a way to test if I have them? I personally have no idea what dentists used when I was a child...

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on September 15, 2011
at 12:44 PM

Yeah, it's a sugar substitute because it cuts the bitterness, not because it's a sweetener. But it really does work well. It also cuts the over-roasted taste at Starbucks.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on September 15, 2011
at 06:22 AM

It's not, but it takes away some of the bitter from coffee. I've been putting it in my coffee for years. Actually if I'm brewing a pot of coffee that isn't the greatest coffee, I'll just sprinkle cinnamon on the grounds before it brews.

0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

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on September 14, 2011
at 08:42 PM

you know cinnamon isn't sweet.

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

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on September 14, 2011
at 07:03 PM

I've found that it helps especially if I have a really hard and heavy deadlift workout. It helps prevent the muscle soreness in the lower back. Because that is in NO WAY attributed to bad form. :-)

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on September 14, 2011
at 05:15 PM

I used to do this(almost exactly as you, decreasing temp gradually) and found it helped with other aspects too (mainly less build up of lactic acid in my shoulder/neck). I should start doing this again.

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on September 14, 2011
at 04:46 PM

I did the PAGG/AGG stack along with CQ for about 3 months. It totally works. I got down to my lowest body fat % ever. It can get expensive but it definately works. I'd recommend supplementing with Biotin though if you do it, because it can lead to a boitin deficiency which causes dry itchy skin.

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5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on September 14, 2011
at 03:40 PM

Cold water immersion is fantastic post workout, as well. After a real butt kicker of a workout, I will take a long, cold shower (I incrementally decrease the temp until it is at the coldest setting, I don't blast it on cold for the shock of it) and I notice that I am much less sore and seem to recover faster. I have never tried it to sleep better, though. Hmmmmm...

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on September 14, 2011
at 07:03 PM

I've found that it helps especially if I have a really hard and heavy deadlift workout. It helps prevent the muscle soreness in the lower back. Because that is in NO WAY attributed to bad form. :-)

1368bb49d7a1455a3c477aea04363b03

(169)

on September 14, 2011
at 05:15 PM

I used to do this(almost exactly as you, decreasing temp gradually) and found it helped with other aspects too (mainly less build up of lactic acid in my shoulder/neck). I should start doing this again.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78407)

on September 16, 2011
at 12:14 PM

SLeep better ? Thats absurid. It activates symphatetic system which should be attenuated when you go to sleep. It wakes you up like a nothing else.

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on September 16, 2011
at 02:32 PM

I would tend to agree with you. My first instinct is that it would do the exact opposite. I don't think it PUTS YOU TO SLEEP but if you do it shortly before bed, the claim is that you sleep deeper. I won't knock it til I try it.

B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

(5242)

on September 20, 2011
at 12:29 AM

Works even better if you cycle between hot and cold. So a few minutes hot followed by a few minutes cold 3 - 5 times. It flushes the blood from the muscles helping to clean out waste metabolites and thus aiding recovery.

A9808a71e03d9b9602aae53622c64d70

(123)

on August 31, 2012
at 03:50 PM

It makes me sleep better. I think I have trouble sleeping when my core temperature is high thanks to exercise. A cold shower (or getting cold by any other means) sorts this out and lets me sleep.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78407)

on September 25, 2012
at 08:21 PM

+1 absolutely awesome stuff

Acf3f15ef2f914d0684960ed21a81bd5

(155)

on September 25, 2012
at 05:50 PM

Yeah, the theory is that it lowers your body temperature, which causes drowsiness and prompts your brain for sleep. I have found that cold showers do work to put me to sleep faster, but not super ice cold showers; as majkinetor mentioned, these tend to actually keep me up because it's a bit of a shock to my system. Those showers are better for in the morning, if you can put up with the misery.

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on September 14, 2011
at 03:42 PM

Two things: Active Release Technique (ART) and the chop-and-lift.

I first read about ART in the 4HB (and saw the pictures of Tim being man-handled). On a blog somewhere he was quoted as saying it was one thing that made a huge difference in his mobility and healing. I've been receiving ART from an osteopath and physio for 6 months and it's given me my 25-year old body back (I'm 40). Two decades of wear-and-tear from rugby, hockey, cycling crashes, car accidents, and poor habits are being undone - amazing.

Check it.

The chop-and-lift is an exercise that the 4HB introduced me to. On Wolf's podcast, he credits it for finding and fixing his left/right strength and stability imbalance. Me too.

Here's a primer.

Here's the guru.

ART and the "chop and lift". Thanks Tim.

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5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on September 14, 2011
at 03:35 PM

Totally off-topic, but does Tim Ferris remind you of Steve O from Jackass?

Discuss....

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

(1906)

on September 16, 2011
at 03:21 PM

In that he looks like Steve O, or in that he's a jackass?

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on September 19, 2011
at 08:27 PM

That he looks like Steve O...I didn't even consider the other connotation.

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Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on September 14, 2011
at 03:23 PM

The only thing I've stuck with is the cinnamon in my morning espresso, which serves as an awesome substitution for sugar.

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

(1906)

on September 15, 2011
at 12:44 PM

Yeah, it's a sugar substitute because it cuts the bitterness, not because it's a sweetener. But it really does work well. It also cuts the over-roasted taste at Starbucks.

0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

(4645)

on September 14, 2011
at 08:42 PM

you know cinnamon isn't sweet.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on September 15, 2011
at 06:22 AM

It's not, but it takes away some of the bitter from coffee. I've been putting it in my coffee for years. Actually if I'm brewing a pot of coffee that isn't the greatest coffee, I'll just sprinkle cinnamon on the grounds before it brews.

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on September 16, 2011
at 02:34 PM

Cinnamon also helps regulate blood sugar, so it's a double dose of awesome compared to putting sugar in your coffee. I put a bit of cinnamon and heavy whipping cream in my espresso...it makes me happy.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78407)

on September 16, 2011
at 12:15 PM

Cinnamon may be a little sweat, there are 3 kinds of it.

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

(1906)

on September 16, 2011
at 03:20 PM

@jared - I do the same, and it's a wonderful treat. I call it the Paleo Espresso.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

(531)

on September 25, 2012
at 03:20 PM

Real cinnamon has a sweet taste. The stuff in the coffee shops and most people's kitchens in the U.S. is Cassia, which is spicy, and is not cinnamon. Try the real stuff - it makes coffee amazing!

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78407)

on September 14, 2011
at 05:46 PM

Most of his thinking about food is more or less accurate so its hard to pin point exact beneficial thing. SLow carb is unnecessarily limiting in my opinion and he uses too much legumes.

Brazil Nuts in the morrning are FTW. Cold showers too. 30g of protein in the morning might be helpful for some people but is hard to stick with it in my opinion for the long run. The Quilt recommends even more. I tried it, but you soon get out of breakfast ideas which spells malnutrition for me on the long run. ALA is very useful but if you have amalgam fillings, you could poison yourself.

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

(952)

on September 16, 2011
at 10:47 AM

Wow, thing about amalgam fillings is interesting! Is there a way to test if I have them? I personally have no idea what dentists used when I was a child...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78407)

on September 16, 2011
at 12:12 PM

When you were I child, it was amalgam [unless you are 5], and probably the more toxic one then one used today. If those are not white [or gold], its amalgam. 1 or 2 amalgam fillings might not be a problem. I had 10 which I reduced to 5. Its not a problem for everybody which depends on genetics, but no matter how many you have, you and your microflora still get poisoned. If you add ALA which works as chelator it may bring it in your brain. Then you stop ALA, and it stays there, forever. No blood/hair test can find it, except brain biopsy.

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

(952)

on September 18, 2011
at 07:45 AM

Sounds scary. Thanks god, I only have white fillings :)

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429e01b74c31847aed3af35ef9973256

(427)

on September 25, 2012
at 11:11 AM

Light therapy, cold therapy, slow-carb, brazil nuts, cheat day, cinnamin, etc. Too many to count.

I think Tim Ferris is awesome and undeservedly gets a bad rap.

Through his book and blog i was introduced to people like

  • Mike Eades
  • Robb Wolf
  • Pavel Tsatsouline

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7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on September 14, 2011
at 02:57 PM

I'm not ready to pronounce it miraculous, but I'm still working on the cold water immersion hack (my version is spending more time in a community pool rather than less time with ice cold water).

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D59f088c9a917bc08fa709bec0072dfb

(40)

on September 14, 2011
at 02:53 PM

Yes, I use alpha lipoiec acid from time to time. My hubby uses 300mg ALA at every meal. And we found the key to it all is enough rest, less stress and sleep. The weight just goes down faster that way. Hubby uses an ice- pack in the evenings and it seems to help too. We don't really use the other supplements regularly to cut costs, also because I feel AGG is too strong for my body to handle. Mineral supplements and enough salt does help with the muscle cramps though.

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on September 25, 2012
at 02:07 PM

If you consider staple food sources to be beans, legumes, egg whites, flaxseed oil, and pineapple pizza (post-workout...so it's okay) to be paleo, then yes, Tim Ferris is paleo.

He is only a step ahead of the game for those that are behind the game. His secret weapon is Cissus Quadrangularis? Come on, seriously anyone who keeps up with the latest potential ergo-genics knew about cissus and had taken it at least a year before the book was published. Weston A Price foods are anobolic? Vince Gironda promoted that decades before Ferris came around and tried to make money of it. Steak and almonds increase testosterone? No sh**, Sherlock. Cinnamon lemon and slow carb? The entire fitness industry has known about these benefits at least a half a decade befoer 4HB. The greatest cunnilingus out there? Clearly he and i have never dated the same women, or I'm certain they'd say otherwise.

More seriously though, bng into self-experimentation and fitness, and generally staying away from obvious junk food does not make one paleo. I can think of no greater bro-scientist than Tim Ferris. He's like the guy on the internet telling oyu to start buying shares of company X because it s undervalued, when everyone on the street has already pushed it's share price 75%.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78407)

on September 25, 2012
at 08:28 PM

-1 for not addressing the question that was actually asked and then whining about the obvious when someone downvoted you. Have an opinion and take your lumps just like the rest of us.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14932)

on September 25, 2012
at 07:48 PM

I welcome your down vote when it is not done anonymously and you have some constructive criticism. but then again, this is an opinion thread, not debating facts and fiction, so one can't really be in the wrong.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14932)

on September 25, 2012
at 08:53 PM

The question used to be "is tim ferris paleo?" was it not? I am not whining either.

A2cec60e836de2d9dbe43d456cac2dab

(146)

on September 26, 2012
at 12:04 AM

I didn't know steak and almonds increase testosterone. Even if an author reintroduces ideas, sometimes it's ok - I don't think I would have been exposed to the ideas )which you already know) had I not read this book. He's already got a huge fan base from 4 Hour workweek so others who normally wouldn't be familiar with the ideas he espouses now are exposed, because they know to read his book ;) Mostly my whole life I've been exposed to "whole wheat is great for you!" and didn't hear anything different in my 32 years until I met my nutritionist (ok ok, now i'm 33 ;)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14932)

on September 25, 2012
at 08:52 PM

The question used to "Is Tim Ferris Paleo?" And I'm not whining.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14932)

on September 26, 2012
at 12:36 AM

Yeah I understand that possibility. I just don't think that he's novel or anything. It's like this. So now, KC, you are into paleo and you know generally what's new and what's not. It would be like Tim Ferris writing a book on intermittent fasting and grass fed animals are the best things ever. Now you and I know they are valuable, but we also have known about these things for at least some time, so reading a book that consolidates the two is not really groundbreaking. Also, the question was edited from what it originally was (Is Tim Ferris Paleo?).

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on September 25, 2012
at 07:24 AM

COD liver oil + Plain Almond Nuts + Wheatgrass - Works really well i feel healthier!

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