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Would you eat Raw Potato Starch?

Commented on April 10, 2014
Created May 14, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Would you eat up to 4TBS a day of raw, unmodified potato starch--the kind used as a thickener--very cheap--every day for the rest of your life?

Let's say doing so gave you an uninterrupted night of sleep, lowered your LDL cholesterol, raised your HDL, lowered/stabilized your blood glucose levels, and you found it extremely satiating which leads to weight loss.

BUT, if you quit, all these things return to normal within days or weeks.

Would it be worth it to start?

I hear it's easy to eat...just mix it with a bit of water, yogurt, milk, Cool-Whip--whatever. Has no taste and very low in calories.

Would you do it if it really worked?

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on April 10, 2014
at 03:04 PM

Using food as food makes more sense than believing in magic.

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on April 10, 2014
at 11:50 AM

No.

Can't cook it or it doesn't help.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on April 10, 2014
at 03:09 AM

Ah, I'm reading about the short chain fatty acids now.

I'm not sure how I missed those in all my Paleo reading material, lol. I get it now. Still kind of on the fence about it.

Vitamin B and K are good stuff. I've always wondered how much my water kefir is able to generate.. or how much the gut flora can synthesize from straight raw potato starch vs other food. It seems like there would be more construction material in a squash than a white powder.

Does ghee SCFA make it down there? Eventually I need to do a blood lab and see if I need to dial my ghee back.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on April 10, 2014
at 03:02 AM

Ah, that is interesting.

Sisson had a post a while back about Paleolithic tubers having a ton more RS than modern ones.

I've baked with it a few times (tastes great on fried fish), but never gone for tablespoons of the raw stuff for health benefits. I do enjoy green bananas. Hmm. Perhaps I'll have to give the starch a try sometime and see what happens.

It seems like a lot of people eat it to try to feed their gut bacteria, where I feel like fermented foods / plants in general keeps them pretty well fed.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on April 10, 2014
at 02:53 AM

See, this is old school nutrition. Fermentation will produce vitamins B and K, short chain fatty acids, and the acids will improve mineral absorption. All the numbers you can get from nutrition data are ball park figures and depend on gut status.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on April 10, 2014
at 02:51 AM

"As someone who can digest just about anything fiber-wise, I tend to think that I would be more in the 3/4 of the group that can digest it without much issue" That is very good, that points to you having very good gut flora.

re the 26% of cases where breakdown was impaired, the study says "The explanation is more likely to be in an absence of appropriate RS-degrading bacteria in the gut"

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on April 10, 2014
at 02:41 AM

...so whereas 'straight' starch will be converted to glucose...RS will be converted to short chain fatty acids.

so eating RS is like eating fat not carbs.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on April 10, 2014
at 02:35 AM

the word 'digested' can be a confusing term...RS is digested/fermented in most of us...ie. in the fact that it is not found (or not all of it) in our faeces...However it is our gut bacteria (in the colon i think?) that is doing all the digesting/fermenting for us. RS passes thru the small intestine undigested.

read the full study you linked for all the nitty gritty.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on April 10, 2014
at 02:24 AM

I just don't really see the point of eating sulfite bleached, refined conventionally grown, raw, powdered potato extract, lacking nutrients, not particularly flavorful, and difficult to digest. That just sounds off to me as part of a healthy diet. But, if it works, it works.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on April 10, 2014
at 02:20 AM

the point is do you digest it as starch, SCFA, or simply degrade it? how many calories and in what form? My gut also digests other phytochemicals, by simply breaking them down, no or minimal calories produced.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on April 10, 2014
at 02:12 AM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8695600

"RS was extensively digested in twenty-seven of thirty-four diet periods but five subjects were unable to break down one or two of the RS sources."

"We have concluded that RS2 (from potatoes and bananas) is broken down in the human gut, although in 26% of cases this breakdown was impaired. RS exerts mild laxative properties."

As someone who can digest just about anything fiber-wise, I tend to think that I would be more in the 3/4 of the group that can digest it without much issue.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on April 10, 2014
at 01:17 AM

"powdered potato..." that would be potato flour (not potato starch)

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on April 10, 2014
at 12:55 AM

you can not trust the labels, that refer to cooked (non-resistant) potato starch. It is probably close to 50 calories in SCFA.

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on April 10, 2014
at 12:10 AM

Except it's resistant starch, which humans do not digest. Uncooked potatoes are quite indigestible. That's why folks get gas (Hi Joanna!) when they do potato starch, feeding the lower GI microbes too much.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on April 09, 2014
at 11:46 PM

Ah, I had even checked http://www.bobsredmill.com/potato-starch.html not sure how I came up with 200, haha. The goal was 40 * 4, obviously 160. My bad.

Still, it's basically a white powder of refined carbohydrates, equal to about 17+ sugar cubes.

While in theory you won't digest it, powdered potato in a carrier liquid infused into a hot tummy seems pretty digestible to me, compared with say raw carrots, but I suppose fiber isn't resistant starch. I'm still on the fence there about it, by the looks of it.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on April 09, 2014
at 10:46 PM

a couple of comments...if you can trust the label on bobs red mill p.starch, 4tbls (48 grams dry powder) is 160 calories.

But, having said that p.starch is approx 80% resistant starch (RS) (may vary a bit, depending on source/production i guess).

We cannot digest RS (#1), so from that perspective calories are zero from the RS component. But our gut bacteria can digest RS...& produce (excrete?) scfa's, so i guess there are some calories there (from the scfa's).

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on April 09, 2014
at 09:59 PM

I take it every second day because I want natto and raw liver the next breakfast (2tbsp), and I wonder if it is mandatory to take it daily. Sleep only slightly improved, but frankly, not as big an effect as avoiding wine.

It is satiating. Next up (this bag is almost done) is a bag of tapioca starch.

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on April 09, 2014
at 09:17 PM

Damn you, why are you bumping dead threads?!?

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

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on May 16, 2013
at 04:31 PM

Judging by that article, this is not something anyone with SIBO should do (or even suspected SIBO,) because it will certainly make that even worse. Not to mention, increasing bifido bacteria is not necessarily a good thing even in the absence of SIBO. Many species of bifido-bacteria are transient and are only supposed to be in the body temporarily until they are released in our stool. Being colonized with swarms of bifidum doesn't seem like the wisest thing to me.

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on May 15, 2013
at 11:12 PM

http://freetheanimal.com/2013/05/resistant-starch-4-letter-word-nope-goal-create-mashed-potatoes-a-diabetic-can-eat-every-day.html Looks like a bunch of folks are doing it and getting results!

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on May 15, 2013
at 02:15 AM

cant say i havent experimented with more nefarious compounds ...sounds relatively safe. How did it work out for this tatertot guy ..? Be good to track down and read his follow-up http://freetheanimal.com/2013/04/resistant-assimilation-resistance.html

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 15, 2013
at 01:19 AM

Nikoley was talking about it recently.

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on May 15, 2013
at 12:05 AM

Have you actually heard that potato starch does all that stuff? Where from?

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

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on May 14, 2013
at 11:55 PM

I really doubt potato starch is gonna lower your blood glucose levels unless you're a reactive hypoglycemic. Anyway, I doubt consuming potato starch will do this for anyone, but even if it did, I'd still prefer to eat a whole potato because it's unprocessed.

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on April 10, 2014
at 03:01 PM

After my experiment with pectin, no. Raw undigestible carbohydrates gave me gas and constipation at 1-2 tablespoons a day. And my LDL went up, same effect as when I ate a lot of fiber.

Cook the starch. Otherwise leave it alone. Raw starch is money down the toilet.

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on April 10, 2014
at 09:33 AM

I use potato starch in Gluten Free Baking. It works very well with the free biscuits and gluten free rolls. Potato starch helps in lightening the texture of these baked products, which gives them more of airy texture. Potato starch helps me in keeping my digestion healthy.

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on April 10, 2014
at 03:04 PM

Using food as food makes more sense than believing in magic.

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on April 10, 2014
at 11:50 AM

No.

Can't cook it or it doesn't help.

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on April 09, 2014
at 11:50 PM

4 tablespoons is overkill for me since i am not that big, but i do 2 tbsp some days. it tastes like nothing and blends really easily into whatever you put it in. the only side effect i get is wicked gas so i skip days in between.

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on April 09, 2014
at 10:03 PM

It seems like a lot of empty calories on the surface. 4tbs would be 200 calories or 40 grams of carbs in the form of a sulfite bleached white powder, where some VLC diets don't eat that many carbs in the form of vegetables in the course of a day. That's somewhere around 17+ sugar cubes worth of carb. (not that carbs need to be so restricted, but, it seems odd to be consuming white powders of straight carb.)

I was eating potatoes everyday for a while without issues, so I wouldn't be afraid of a few tablespoons of potato extract if it did all of those great things.

Have you tried cold potatoes / sushi rice? You might want to check out cold green bananas / plantains as well. It seems like those would have a little more going on in terms of nutrition.

Some foods can patch issues, while others may improve them. If your issues rebound within days, it's looking more like a patch. But if it works, it works.

It's probably not something I would eat everyday for the rest of my life without substantial evidence that it was helping me out.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on April 09, 2014
at 10:46 PM

a couple of comments...if you can trust the label on bobs red mill p.starch, 4tbls (48 grams dry powder) is 160 calories.

But, having said that p.starch is approx 80% resistant starch (RS) (may vary a bit, depending on source/production i guess).

We cannot digest RS (#1), so from that perspective calories are zero from the RS component. But our gut bacteria can digest RS...& produce (excrete?) scfa's, so i guess there are some calories there (from the scfa's).

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Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on April 09, 2014
at 10:03 PM

It seems like a lot of empty calories on the surface. 4tbs would be 200 calories or 40 grams of carbs in the form of a bleached white powder, where some VLC diets don't eat that many carbs in the form of vegetables in the course of a day. That's somewhere around 17+ sugar cubes worth of carb. (not that carbs need to be so restricted, but, it seems odd to be consuming white powders of straight carb.)

I was eating potatoes everyday for a while without issues, so I wouldn't be afraid of a few tablespoons of potato extract if it did all of those great things for you.

You might want to check out cold green bananas / plantains as well, it seems like those would have a little more going on in terms of nutrition.

Some foods can patch issues, while others may improve them. If your issues rebound within days, it's looking more like a patch.

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7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on April 09, 2014
at 09:15 PM

Started doing this a few days ago, working my quantities up, no noticable results so far.

If it actually provides half of the results you listed I would have no problem taking it every day, it's so tastless I could just dump it in my mouth and eat it without water if need be. ( Ideally I would use water :D )

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on April 09, 2014
at 09:59 PM

I take it every second day because I want natto and raw liver the next breakfast (2tbsp), and I wonder if it is mandatory to take it daily. Sleep only slightly improved, but frankly, not as big an effect as avoiding wine.

It is satiating. Next up (this bag is almost done) is a bag of tapioca starch.

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on April 09, 2014
at 09:07 PM

I just tried potato starch for the first time. White powder bag, looks like cocaine or something. Very dry, but.... i mix with cream cinnamon, ginger, vanilla, chocolate... and bob's my uncle. First dose ever. see how i sleep tonight and my BG in the AM, although i hear effects take a few weeks in coming

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on April 09, 2014
at 09:17 PM

Damn you, why are you bumping dead threads?!?

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