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No carb paleo?

Commented on June 18, 2014
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I am trying a new, no fruit, vegetable or sugar version of paleo as a last desperate attempt at restoring my health. Although there are certainly health concerns that follow allong with it. I am only eating meat (lots of organ meat) and supplementing with vitamins, particularly vitamin C. So far it has been only 5 days. I have had NO allergies, acne, anxiety, energy and insomnia since the diet. I have had sugar cravings like crazy, constipation and brain fog like no tomorrow. But I have also slept incredibly well. What are your guy's thoughts? I am considering suffering through this for 90 days as it seems like it is improving my other health issues dramatically, then slowly reintroducing fruit. Thanks.

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on June 18, 2014
at 03:21 PM

I would've guessed that throughout our evolution we would've dipped into ketosis quite a lot, considering how all foods with considerable carbs are seasonal, how we relied heavily on animal foods, and how all food at some point would've become scarce. Pure speculation of course.

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on June 18, 2014
at 03:19 PM

Are you actually constipated or just crapping a lot less? When I go zero carb I may crap once in two days, but I don't struggle with it if you know what I mean. Brain fog should clear but more fat less meat may help with that if it doesn't.

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on June 18, 2014
at 02:53 PM

What exactly is the point? You seem to ask questions and then only the critisize the answers you get.

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on June 18, 2014
at 01:29 PM

I agree, N=1 -- if it works, great

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on June 18, 2014
at 01:29 PM

looks like, primarily, time to plate and butchering is what removes the carbs from our meat. Its likely that heat plays a process in it as well as I've seen many studys that show hot smoked salmon has lower carb levels than cold smoked salmon.

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on June 18, 2014
at 01:01 PM

I don't think no carb works for anyone...unless you're defining 'no carb' as low carb...and then well...why does this even need to be said?

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on June 18, 2014
at 11:33 AM

A ketogenic diet can be theraputic, but it's certainly not normal or way humans evolved eating. It's a starvation response. If it works for you, do it.

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on June 18, 2014
at 06:53 AM

yeah i know. i was just 'helping' cdone out with some possible refs that he could not locate...& my response was too big for a comment, so i made it an answer. (nothing to see here)

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on June 18, 2014
at 06:34 AM

Since when did all carbs get destroyed through cooking?

B120d28d9620626012de121b6075ce51

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on June 18, 2014
at 06:33 AM

Ok? You seem to be missing the point.

B120d28d9620626012de121b6075ce51

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on June 18, 2014
at 06:32 AM

Where is the evidence? I am doing no carb right now and haven't slept or felt this good in years.

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on June 18, 2014
at 12:38 AM

I too have read there's a good deal of plants eaten in Inuit diets. Foods that are scarce are generally highly prized.

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on June 17, 2014
at 11:56 PM

This isn't what I was looking for, but very interesting. http://freetheanimal.com/2014/03/disrupting-carbs-prebiotics.html

Essentially, because the Inuit were eating their meat fresh the carbohydrate levels of the meat, fat, and skin was much higher than what we see in modern meats.

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543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on June 18, 2014
at 06:14 AM

(edit: not an answer to OP. just some info relating to another answer...& easier to put in an answer rather than a comment)

@cdone quote "I remember reading that the scientist in the late 70s were surprised at how few Inuit were in ketosis. After recording daily journals 40-50% of their diet was carbohydrates from roots and tubers. Can't find the paper now, maybe someone else can provide"

just be reading something from wiki on this, it may include the study refs you mention. here is an excerpt;

"The Inuit are often cited an example of a culture that has lived for thousands of years on a low-carbohydrate diet. However, in multiple studies the traditional Inuit diet has not been shown to be a ketogenic diet.[26][27][28][29] Not only have multiple researchers been unable to detect any evidence of ketosis resulting from the traditional Inuit diet, but the ratios of fatty-acid to glucose were observed to be well below the generally accepted level of ketogenesis.[26][27][28][29] The Inuit consumed as much as 15-20% of their calories from carbohydrates, largely from the glycogen found in raw meats.[26][27][28][30] Furthermore, the blubber, organs, muscle and skin of the diving marine mammals that the Inuit ate have significant glycogen stores that are able to delay postmortem degradation, particularly in cold weather.[31][32][33][34][35][36] " Wiki Source

B120d28d9620626012de121b6075ce51

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on June 18, 2014
at 06:33 AM

Ok? You seem to be missing the point.

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on June 18, 2014
at 12:17 AM

low carb...maybe. no carb...no.

A pure meat diet and not even a vegetable seems like a terrible idea.

B120d28d9620626012de121b6075ce51

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on June 18, 2014
at 06:32 AM

Where is the evidence? I am doing no carb right now and haven't slept or felt this good in years.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on June 17, 2014
at 11:51 PM

I remember reading that the scientist in the late 70s were surprised at how few Inuit were in ketosis. After recording daily journals 40-50% of their diet was carbohydrates from roots and tubers. Can't find the paper now, maybe someone else can provide.

B120d28d9620626012de121b6075ce51

(134)

on June 18, 2014
at 06:34 AM

Since when did all carbs get destroyed through cooking?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26197)

on June 17, 2014
at 11:56 PM

This isn't what I was looking for, but very interesting. http://freetheanimal.com/2014/03/disrupting-carbs-prebiotics.html

Essentially, because the Inuit were eating their meat fresh the carbohydrate levels of the meat, fat, and skin was much higher than what we see in modern meats.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41787)

on June 18, 2014
at 12:38 AM

I too have read there's a good deal of plants eaten in Inuit diets. Foods that are scarce are generally highly prized.

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