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Paleo approved bouillon cubes for sodium supplementation?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 29, 2012 at 6:38 PM

I am just starting out on a low carb high fat diet (ala Volek and Phinney) and they repeatedly stress the importance of sodium supplementation. A popular means of this supplementation is bouillon cubes.

I have been searching high and low for a quality bouillon cube that I can buy in bulk, but have not found what I am looking for. Every product that comes in a bulk amount is loaded with MSG or plenty of other crap.

If anyone can recommend a brand, or maybe even suggest a better way to supplement (broth aside) it would be most appreciated!

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on December 14, 2012
at 08:53 PM

I figured as much. Ill stick with my salt water

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on December 14, 2012
at 07:26 PM

Yeah, the darn MSG. But, aside from that, this is the best offering out there.

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on December 14, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Basically you'd drink it like tea. Put the cube in a mug, pour in hot water, stir until it dissolves, and drink something that resembles soup

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on December 14, 2012
at 02:02 PM

I have just been putting about 1/2tsp of Real Salt + 1/2tsp of Lite Salt (Potassium + Sodium) in water a few hours before bed. Seems to be working for me

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on December 14, 2012
at 01:48 PM

Why not make some salt pills using a those simple press down pill makers. I used this method when cutting weight as the taste of salt eventually becomes loathsome.

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on December 14, 2012
at 12:11 AM

Yeast extract usually contains MSG

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on November 29, 2012
at 08:07 PM

Thanks I'll check it out. 5g would be a maximum total daily intake and in many studies referenced by Volek + Phinney that was the amount given to their test subjects. 5g may seem like a lot but keep in the mind the kidneys are very natriuretic when the body is carb restricted. They even mention a study where subjects were given 1.3g of sodium per day and it was not nearly enough. If ill effects befall me from taking too much, I can back off easily.

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on November 29, 2012
at 07:54 PM

Just my opinion, but 5g of supplemental sodium seems like a TON to me. I've heard of professional athletes maxing out at 2g. If you are regularly eating salt with your foods, you may not need much supplementing. Pacific foods have some nice organic broths (I actually use for most of my cooking) their Pho and Free Range Chicken have about 600 mg sodium per serving. They use some sugar, but it's usually less than 2g per serving -- so if you are minimizing your sugar intake else where you can easily get by with that.

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on November 29, 2012
at 07:42 PM

Agreed on the broth (See my comment to Janknitz) but I am thinking maybe bouillon cubes aren't my best bet. Maybe just a sodium supplement or even salt water will suffice

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on November 29, 2012
at 07:40 PM

I love bone broth and make it regularly but I need something quick that can give me 3-5g of sodium every day. Plus I'd rather save my broth for recipes and such

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on November 29, 2012
at 07:30 PM

btw, I believe Volek uses Knorr brand

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on November 29, 2012
at 07:27 PM

And since a bouillon is (necessarily) dehydrated my broth definitely has celery, carrots, tomatoes (sometimes), Onions, etc) which would be powder form if dehydration was the goal.

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on November 29, 2012
at 07:26 PM

agreed, I would never put it in my body. but a lot of those ingredients are likely in home made bone broth. I wouldn't use soy oil or Corn Oil, so Hydrolyzed Soy Protein wouldn't be in it. But Olive Oil doesn't hold up well to dehydration. I usually use sea weed, so Disodium guanylate is likely in my broth. Yeast Extract is just a natural MSG. I likely have Disodium inosinate from either the chicken or beef bones I use.

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on November 29, 2012
at 07:13 PM

It doesn't have MSG but it certainly is filled with a lot of crap. Ingredients Salt, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Sweetener (Sugar and/or Dextrose), Fat Flavor (Partially Hydrogenated Corn Oil, Flavor), Onion Powder, Natural Flavor (Autolyzed Yeast Extract, Salt, Sugar, Whey Powder, Lactic Acid), Tomato Powder, Celery, Carrot Powder (Maltodextrin, Carrot Juice), Disodium Inosinate and Disodium Guanylate.

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on December 13, 2012
at 11:51 PM

I like Rapunzel Vegetable Bouillon -

Ingredients: Sea Salt, Yeast Extract, Organic Non Hydrogenated Palm Oil, Organic Garlic, Organic Basil, Organic Parsley, Organic Tumeric, Organic Lovage, Organic Celery, Organic Dill. [Organically Grown and Processed]

And 1010 mg sodium per serving (or 2020mg per cube)

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

(435)

on December 14, 2012
at 08:53 PM

I figured as much. Ill stick with my salt water

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

(435)

on December 14, 2012
at 12:11 AM

Yeast extract usually contains MSG

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on December 14, 2012
at 07:26 PM

Yeah, the darn MSG. But, aside from that, this is the best offering out there.

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on November 29, 2012
at 07:00 PM

Herbox has no MSG added (there is naturally derrived MSG). Personally I think the best way is to get it out of salt

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on November 29, 2012
at 07:27 PM

And since a bouillon is (necessarily) dehydrated my broth definitely has celery, carrots, tomatoes (sometimes), Onions, etc) which would be powder form if dehydration was the goal.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26207)

on November 29, 2012
at 07:54 PM

Just my opinion, but 5g of supplemental sodium seems like a TON to me. I've heard of professional athletes maxing out at 2g. If you are regularly eating salt with your foods, you may not need much supplementing. Pacific foods have some nice organic broths (I actually use for most of my cooking) their Pho and Free Range Chicken have about 600 mg sodium per serving. They use some sugar, but it's usually less than 2g per serving -- so if you are minimizing your sugar intake else where you can easily get by with that.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26207)

on November 29, 2012
at 07:26 PM

agreed, I would never put it in my body. but a lot of those ingredients are likely in home made bone broth. I wouldn't use soy oil or Corn Oil, so Hydrolyzed Soy Protein wouldn't be in it. But Olive Oil doesn't hold up well to dehydration. I usually use sea weed, so Disodium guanylate is likely in my broth. Yeast Extract is just a natural MSG. I likely have Disodium inosinate from either the chicken or beef bones I use.

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

(435)

on November 29, 2012
at 07:42 PM

Agreed on the broth (See my comment to Janknitz) but I am thinking maybe bouillon cubes aren't my best bet. Maybe just a sodium supplement or even salt water will suffice

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

(435)

on November 29, 2012
at 07:13 PM

It doesn't have MSG but it certainly is filled with a lot of crap. Ingredients Salt, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Sweetener (Sugar and/or Dextrose), Fat Flavor (Partially Hydrogenated Corn Oil, Flavor), Onion Powder, Natural Flavor (Autolyzed Yeast Extract, Salt, Sugar, Whey Powder, Lactic Acid), Tomato Powder, Celery, Carrot Powder (Maltodextrin, Carrot Juice), Disodium Inosinate and Disodium Guanylate.

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

(435)

on November 29, 2012
at 08:07 PM

Thanks I'll check it out. 5g would be a maximum total daily intake and in many studies referenced by Volek + Phinney that was the amount given to their test subjects. 5g may seem like a lot but keep in the mind the kidneys are very natriuretic when the body is carb restricted. They even mention a study where subjects were given 1.3g of sodium per day and it was not nearly enough. If ill effects befall me from taking too much, I can back off easily.

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on December 14, 2012
at 05:30 PM

If you found a boullion cube, how the heck do you eat it?

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on December 14, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Basically you'd drink it like tea. Put the cube in a mug, pour in hot water, stir until it dissolves, and drink something that resembles soup

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on November 29, 2012
at 07:29 PM

It's the salt they're after. You can make your own bone broth and salt it. That tastes way better, anyway, and you can use good salt that has other trace minerals as well. During the hot summer I enjoyed sipping cold broth, during the winter I drink it instead of tea.

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on November 29, 2012
at 07:40 PM

I love bone broth and make it regularly but I need something quick that can give me 3-5g of sodium every day. Plus I'd rather save my broth for recipes and such

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