I was at dinner with my family and friends tonight and we got on the discussion of paleo (per usual since no one agrees with me) and they asked me," If we eat so poorly today, how come so many of us are living in to our 80s?" I had some pretty good arguments to counter, but I want to hear yours-- try to give me an answer other than genetics or the fact that we have medicine, I want to hear if their is something I am missing.
I am tired of hearing the argument of how healthy we are and how cavemen only lived into their teens....sigh!
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Vaccines, anti-biotics, massive emergency plans, sterilisation, better hygeine, refrigeration, Industry standards, worker`s rights, respirators, blood thinners, chemotherapy...etc., etc..
And we might live longer in the western world, but there are still places where infant mortality is extremely high, and life expectancy low. I think people in the Western world are actually beginning to die younger now.
The Walking Dead is back and Game of Thrones is only 5 short months away...gives people something to live for.
I can't believe I forgot to include...Dexter
Holy F*ck balls!
(I don't know what a f*ck ball is, but I thank Deb for introducing me to the word)
You broke a leg in paleo times---game over
you break a leg today---your back on the football field within a year
The discovery of penicillin and public sanitation.
Paleo Diet + Activity = beneficial
Paleo Predation + Lack of Sanitation + Lack of Medical Care = not beneficial
Neo Diet + Activity = not beneficial
Neo non-Predation + Sanitation + Medical Care = beneficial
It follows that Neo non-Predation, Sanitation and Medical Care outweighs the non benefits of Neo Diet and Activity.
However, the optimal situation is:
Paleo Diet + Activity + non-Predation + Sanitation + Medical Care
I found this interesting: http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/05/01/falsehood-if-this-was-the-ston/
Trying to remember something I read about this question in the book "Sex at Dawn" but I can't find it right now.
The gist of it-- we are overcoming a lot of false assumptions and stereotypes of the 'nasty, brutish, and short" lives of our ancestors before agriculture... ignorant, violent, living in caves... you know, back in the day before magical Wheat made it all better.
As long as people are judging based on those unquestioned assumptions, it's tough to have a reasonable conversation about the quantity and quality of life pre-agriculture or even more recently in the hunter-gather societies observed. Apparently, if you have anything positive to say about their lifestyle you are merely 'idealizing the noble savage'.
From my understanding its a bit of an illusion due to improved infant mortality rates.
If only because I am thrown this same curveball by my father, who I consider fairly intelligent otherwise, I feel compelled to comment. There are two arguments to refute this thinking.
The assertion that we live longer is, at its very base, faulty. People equate "Longer average lifespan" with "We live longer". Seeing that this is incorrect is not difficult. Grok, if he lived to 30, was not considered old by his companions. He'd still have to live to 60 to be considered old (not to imply and ageism here). See above posts regarding predation and disease.
Obviously - medicine. We can cure diseases that are a death sentence. That increases overall life expectancy.
The argument that I've been given in follow-up is the traditional diet hypothesis - certain cultures eat foods that are decidedly non-paleo and live long, productive lives. I will, I admit, find myself a little befuddled by this, except to say that people eating traditional diets are often not living what we would define as modern lives. They stay active. More importantly, they still eat basically whole foods diets - even if rice, corn, pasta, and beans make up your diet, it's not as bad for you if you can avoid the barcode and eat real food.
yes JayJay is correct. Our average life span has increased because much fewer babies die, thereby increasing the average. Make no mistake, overall, we are not as healthy as we were even just 30 years ago. Much more heart disease, diabetes, etc.
They live longer, because they die later. Hope this clears things up.
Medicine, hygiene, clean water, abundance of food and warm and dry houses. Absence of war and dangerous animals (ever saw bbc movies about ice age fauna?) These are all valid reasons.
I heard somewhere though that current generation will live less than previous one. Look, people who are in their 80s now grew on traditional food. All high fructose, low-fat, fast food and speed bread fermentation were introduced after 50s. Vegetarianism got popularity at 60s due to hippy movement.
So I think people who were born after 50s-60s won't make past 80 year in their majority.