3

votes

Pasteurized dairy better tolerated than raw?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 27, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Greetings! I am slowly adopting some of Ray Peat's ideas toward diet, as doing a traditional paleo diet was resulting in low-energy levels, weight gain, low libido, horrible cramps during period, related thyroid symptoms, etc...and I'm looking for some insight:

While doing a traditional paleo/GAPS diet, I developed an intolerance to cow's milk AND beef. When I consume either, my nose becomes stuffy and congested. So, in a quest to introduce more dairy products into my diet (?? la Peat) I'm consuming goat dairy (cheese and milk) instead, and have eliminated all cow/beef products. I have no problems tolerating pasteurized goat's milk cheeses/milk. But I recently found a source for raw goat's milk. As soon as I drank a glass, my nose immediately became congested. I noticed the same pattern with raw-milk cheeses versus pasteurized-milk cheeses.

I was wondering why would this occur? I don't think it's the milk sugar, but rather the protein-components of goat's milk. Perhaps heating the milk first helps to break down some of the proteins, making it easier to digest?

Thanks!

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on December 14, 2012
at 02:37 AM

If you think it's the protein, specifically casein, then I'd suggest sour cream and cream cheese.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on December 14, 2012
at 12:55 AM

Want this to be true because pasteurized dairy is cheaper.

06325b762f78a2b8aaa977161cca4a1f

(539)

on October 06, 2012
at 04:52 PM

+1 because I've experienced the same and am curious.

B9b739e406d30e2b168aed8e9c93add5

(103)

on August 27, 2012
at 09:46 PM

Thanks for the reply, but it doesn't matter if the raw dairy is fermented or not; if it was made with pasteurized goat milk to begin with, it won't cause a reaction in me, but if it was made with raw goat dairy, it will. This is why I believe it is the protein component of milk, and not lactose intolerance.

Frontpage book

Get FREE instant access to our Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!

3 Answers

1
Db83c2c5ea492d6716c28a0b561ee174

(161)

on October 18, 2012
at 09:51 AM

This sounds typical to me. Many people switch to paleo relatively abruptly. After decades of adaptation to a different diet paleo is expected to immediately give perfect health and energy. That is never true, as far as i have seen. The quicker one switches to paleo, the worse one's organism responds to change. Even more so for suddenly going low carb. If you had underlying health issues hidden by adaptation, then the metabolic confusion of switching to paleo will definitely bring them to light. Don't get me wrong, the switch is definitely a positive one in most cases, but your symptoms on paleo are the typical symptoms of lack of adaptation.

As for your allergy to milk proteins and beef, indeed high temperatures denature proteins and make milk more tolerable. I heard accounts of people getting rid of such allergies, however, by implementing a paleo regime gradually.

Ray Peat's success on PH is in my eyes mostly due to providing an authoritative opinion in favor of carbohydrate consumption, which brings people who expect instantaneous results from a diet change back to a higher carb intake, which is more familiar to their metabolisms, thus improving mood and helping dilute various health issues that have meanwhile arisen.

I don't disapprove Ray Peat, albeit certain his assertions are probably mistaken, but you should focus on food nutrient density, rather than carbohydrate intake, keeping in mind any major changes will take time to adapt to.

0
07243c7700483a67386049f7b67d90a4

on December 14, 2012
at 01:42 PM

I think it is down to vast variations in the quality of milk, I'm talking about breed, climate, food, stress, raw, fat content....I found that if I consumed milk from a fantastic raw organic dairy near me I digested it perfectly and my health improved, even if the milk was cooked, turned to cheese or kefir. Standard milk from the shops soon turned my skin awful and digestion suffered.

Milk is a tricky one, I love it and thrive on it but if I couldn’t access really high quality milk I really wouldn’t bother with it.

0
0cddf17fbd678b897beeace676b0df92

on August 27, 2012
at 09:33 PM

Some people do better with yogurt or kefer so you may want to give them a try.

B9b739e406d30e2b168aed8e9c93add5

(103)

on August 27, 2012
at 09:46 PM

Thanks for the reply, but it doesn't matter if the raw dairy is fermented or not; if it was made with pasteurized goat milk to begin with, it won't cause a reaction in me, but if it was made with raw goat dairy, it will. This is why I believe it is the protein component of milk, and not lactose intolerance.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on December 14, 2012
at 02:37 AM

If you think it's the protein, specifically casein, then I'd suggest sour cream and cream cheese.

Answer Question


Get FREE instant access to our
Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!