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Crossfit, Paleo, and Protein powders

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 08, 2011 at 5:02 AM

I just wanted to throw the question out there with the Protein Progenex in particular. (I know theres quite a few protein shake questions out there already). Any clean protein recommendations would be great.

I just want to find the least processed recovery drink out there and I want to use the cleanest product available to me. I know whey typically causes an insulin spike and am willing to forsake it a little bit especially because natural sources like chicken or eggs aren't nearly as immediately bio-available as a hydrolzed protein isolate.

It's a pain in the ass but thoughts. The only real evil i see (excluding whey :) ) is fructose.

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[1]: http://www.progenexusa.com/products/1-recovery.aspx Progenex USA Recovery Formula

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on August 25, 2011
at 01:16 PM

Good answer, i.e. I agree. I take bioactive whey protein, but more to promote higher levels of glutathione (as opposed to gaining muscle). I'm an ectomorph, but instead of trying to get big (very hard for that body type) I'm working on getting lean, so I follow Art D's advice - workout on empty stomach, delay meal for around an hour afterword (promotes HGH and fat burning as opposed to muscle building). Anyway, that's another discussion. I think raw milk, organ meats and grass-fed beef is a much better idea than BCAA or whey protein if you're looking to gain.

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on June 17, 2011
at 03:05 PM

Didn't RW go into a discussion on pwo where he said to avoid fats and sugars pwo due to the tendency for the body to store it as fat instead of glycogen?

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on June 08, 2011
at 05:54 PM

As soon as i am done with my routine, literally in the changing room I down one serving of ON whey protein powder which gives me 24 grams of protein. Thats in water with 3 grams of creatine which i have dissolved in it prior to going to the gym. In a separate bottle I have a full 16 ounces of zico coconut water which I down. You could of course make your whey shake with the coconut water but i don't like the taste. So, i have two bottles of liquid, one is water+whey+creatine, and the second is pure coconut water. Then one hour after that I eat my full meal: the lean meat and starch I mentioned

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on June 08, 2011
at 04:47 PM

Good answer. Straight to the point. What's your PWO drink recipe?

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on June 08, 2011
at 04:44 PM

(PS - I wouldn't recommend the Kitamura route, it was more a joke)

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Wow - best answer here and it looks like you just signed up!

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on June 08, 2011
at 03:49 PM

Hemp protein powder, being plant-based, is not a complete protein source. I would think that alone makes it non-optimal. I saw hemp milk at Giant the other day... Really?? Hemp milk? to paraphrase Lewis Black, that would be hemp juice, because hemp does not have a teat. Doesn't sound so tasty when you say hemp juice (or soy juice for that matter).

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on June 08, 2011
at 11:18 AM

I would note that I have switched to a little homemade jerky and frozen berries pwo and it's a delicious way to get pwo nutrition in. Frozen berries are cheap too.

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C8b4068fa3bb4055c91904fec4b920e7

on June 08, 2011
at 04:49 PM

Too many paleo fans support crossfit.

I think it is too random and promotes overexertion.

For me the strongman tradition of frequent practice , curbing the enthusiasm and being consistent with a slow boiling routine is better.

3 powerlifts, kbell swings/snatches, a bit of stretching, walk if you want, that sounds good to me.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 08, 2011
at 01:47 PM

Not too sure what the actual question is in the OP but as long as we're all chiming in with our opinions regarding protein shakes are:

I'd say that the use of whey protein powder post workout depends on your goals. If you are trying to increase your strength repeatedly with each or at least most of your workouts then you want to drink a protein shake. You will have to be using progressively heavier loads or less rest or more reps - ie some kind of increased workload as the stimulus for growth for your body.

The body has just been stressed to a new point during this workout. Your body is repairing/rebuilding your muscles such that they come back stronger and ready to deal with that last, new load. So, your goal in this scenario is growth: coming back stronger, perhaps bigger too, to handle that load next time. With this as the stated goal then you want to give your body every opportunity, every possible asset to use in its recovery. Drinking about 24 grams of protein in literally seconds as soon as you can after the workout simply delivers those essential building blocks in the most efficient manner we now know of. This is not mutually exclusive with eating whole real foods, ala paleo keep in mind.

I down my whey protein shake as soon as humanly possible after lifting my last rep, then also chug 12 ounces of coconut water to deliver speedy carbohydrate, get some insulin action which will help shuttle those protein grams where they need to go, replenish glycogen, etc. Then one hour after that I still have what i consider my post-workout meal: 12 ounces lean protein meat and 12 ounces starch from sweet potatoes.

Whey is simply a tool for a goal, it does not replace real food. It is a supplement. It supplements real food.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:54 PM

As soon as i am done with my routine, literally in the changing room I down one serving of ON whey protein powder which gives me 24 grams of protein. Thats in water with 3 grams of creatine which i have dissolved in it prior to going to the gym. In a separate bottle I have a full 16 ounces of zico coconut water which I down. You could of course make your whey shake with the coconut water but i don't like the taste. So, i have two bottles of liquid, one is water+whey+creatine, and the second is pure coconut water. Then one hour after that I eat my full meal: the lean meat and starch I mentioned

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(5639)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:47 PM

Good answer. Straight to the point. What's your PWO drink recipe?

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B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

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on June 08, 2011
at 10:10 AM

  1. If you want to drink protein, drink raw milk. It is much cheaper, a whole food and a whole lot more anabolic than the whey which is extracted from it.

  2. Personally I think, and my personal experience is, that you are better off eating your protein. Eat eggs, steaks, organ meats - especially liver, fatty cuts (I use them in curries and stews), fish, the lot. It takes a bit of practice to eat a lot of protein, but once you get used to it, it's very enjoyable. :)

I have found by eating protein and lots of fat with some POW carbs I get strong and stay damn lean. And I don't get the crazy digestive issues that I get from a whey protein supplement.

So my advice, n=1, try it for 30 - 60 days and see what you think for yourself.

1ec4e7ca085b7f8d5821529653e1e35a

(5516)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:18 AM

I would note that I have switched to a little homemade jerky and frozen berries pwo and it's a delicious way to get pwo nutrition in. Frozen berries are cheap too.

396679d1e1357eb7e9397ca34c8773ea

(454)

on June 17, 2011
at 03:05 PM

Didn't RW go into a discussion on pwo where he said to avoid fats and sugars pwo due to the tendency for the body to store it as fat instead of glycogen?

A0f2f0f632d42215944a798486bddde1

(1377)

on August 25, 2011
at 01:16 PM

Good answer, i.e. I agree. I take bioactive whey protein, but more to promote higher levels of glutathione (as opposed to gaining muscle). I'm an ectomorph, but instead of trying to get big (very hard for that body type) I'm working on getting lean, so I follow Art D's advice - workout on empty stomach, delay meal for around an hour afterword (promotes HGH and fat burning as opposed to muscle building). Anyway, that's another discussion. I think raw milk, organ meats and grass-fed beef is a much better idea than BCAA or whey protein if you're looking to gain.

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

In The Paleo Diet for Athletes, Dr. Cordain talks about "non-Paleo" foods having a place in a Paleo Diet for Athletes in the recovery window.

So, I would worry more about the quality of the protein powder more than it's "Paleo-ness". But, I would also just use the protein powder in the Pre-, Peri-, and Post-Workout windows.

Also, I would track how you feel after adding in whatever protein powder/recovery drink that you do choose.

For instance, if you go with a Vegan (hemp, pea, rice, etc.) protein powder, how does that make you feel?

The same goes for a whey or casein protein powder.

As far as manufacturers go, http://allproscience.com/ has 100% Grass Fed Whey and Veggie blends, along with a Recovery specific drink, as well.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 08, 2011
at 03:52 PM

Wow - best answer here and it looks like you just signed up!

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on June 08, 2011
at 04:38 PM

You could do what Bruce Lee did, and put raw beef and raw eggs in the blender. YUM! (Seriously, I love raw beef, and raw eggs...like a steak tartare PWO drink!)

or this:

Hardcore Diet

which is CRAZY.

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on June 08, 2011
at 04:44 PM

(PS - I wouldn't recommend the Kitamura route, it was more a joke)

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on June 08, 2011
at 02:09 PM

I always end up deferring to something Robb Wolf says in these questions, and I'll do it here too. Don't drink your calories. There's probably a better way to get what you want with whole foods. Also Progenix is a case study in brilliant marketing. It's just really expensive whey protein marketed to crossfitters. Nothing special about it - Robb Wolf has a podcast about that too.

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on May 27, 2014
at 01:39 AM

promix grass fed whey on amazon unflavored and the cheapest grass fed whey you can find

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on June 17, 2013
at 05:52 PM

fish protein powder and peptides

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_protein_powder

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on May 07, 2013
at 12:04 AM

www.simplypurenutrients.com Sweet Potato Recovery - 1st True Paleo Recovery - Tastes GREAT

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on April 04, 2013
at 04:26 PM

SFH makes grass-fed whey protein powder. Good stuff.

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on March 27, 2013
at 04:08 PM

truenutrition.com sells a 100% paleo protein powder made with egg white protein, whole egg protein, and beef protein...there is a website for the company that makes it but it doesn't look like you can buy directly through them? (www.paleoproproducts.com) no whey, no soy and only flavored with cocoa/stevia - i normally just do it whole foods but this stuff is as close as i could find to real food in a powder....they just dry the ingredients and grind them up, so no soy which is hard to find. most protein powder companies 'instantize' their powders with soy lecithin which apart from having soy is also usually gmo soy. highly recommend...

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on June 09, 2011
at 12:13 AM

What about 100% egg protein powder such as the product by Healthy N Fit? That seems to be more paleo than most other protein powders.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 08, 2011
at 04:02 PM

I'm pretty sure this is going to be an unpopular answer but to hell with it :)

I love my protein powder and as a person who finds it difficult to eat all my calories, I feel I benefit from drinking them. I say this because I tracked carefully and found that taking away my protein smoothy had a negative impact on me.

SO - my favorite is Wellements that I get at Costco. Yes, there is a bit of soy pretty far down the ingredients list. Yes, it is a processed food. Yes, it has Whey in it. However, this is the only PWO drink/food that does not hurt my tummy. It is also inexpensive. It allows me to get some good calories in my body when I find it very, very difficult to get them in solid food form. To me, the benefits outweigh the non-paleo-ness of the product.

Here is the link to the ingredients. Like James said, track how it makes you feel and decide for yourself.

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on June 08, 2011
at 12:49 PM

I've been basically off powders since last fall, I but do have BCAA which I take only if I workout fasted. I thought about implementing hemp protein at one point, but I realized that I like to eat my calories rather than drink, and according to what I have READ, hemp protein might not be the best of protein powders (even though it might be paleo).

If I would go for a protein powder, it would have to be for good reasons such as recovery or performance issues - possibly resulting from an increase in training volume and/or intensity. I also think that if one chooses to take powders, on should definately opt for high quality powder and see if it a) helps performance & recovery issues and b) does not cause any problems with digestion, stomach etc.

Before going paleo, I had very positive experiences with a combo of Peptopro + Leucine. They aren't the cheapest options, but pepto & leucine (and the combination) seem to get props also on bodybuilding forums. If you want to add carbs to a postworkout drink (not touching the subject whether immediate PWO carbs are beneficial or not), you could go for Coconut Water, at least its paleo, instead of waxy maize starch (also popular among bb:ers) or maltodextrin.

Just to make sure, I'm not saying that pepto+leucine or any other powders are superior to whole foods. I just wanted to give my 2 cents on protein supplements that I think actually have been beneficial for me before.

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on June 08, 2011
at 11:35 AM

Do a search on Hemp Protein, might be what you are looking for. I've been taking it for awhile once I stopped doing dairy. Whey protein made me feel just too full and bloated. Hemp protein is easy to find in almost all vitamin/supplement shops, minus gnc, but they're overpriced anyway. Might be hard to swallow the first week or so b/c it taste completely different then whey, but after that it def grows on you. I mix it with some coconut milk and fruit, for a post workout smoothie.

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on June 08, 2011
at 03:49 PM

Hemp protein powder, being plant-based, is not a complete protein source. I would think that alone makes it non-optimal. I saw hemp milk at Giant the other day... Really?? Hemp milk? to paraphrase Lewis Black, that would be hemp juice, because hemp does not have a teat. Doesn't sound so tasty when you say hemp juice (or soy juice for that matter).

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on January 27, 2013
at 03:47 AM

this was spam (the suggested product contains barley, millet, amaranth, rice, peas, oats, flax, and stevia - far from paleo :-\ )

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