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SIBO: Any way to defeat bad bacteria without antibiotics (or natural antibiotics)? Any way to avoid loss of gut flora diversity with antibiotics?

Answered on October 17, 2013
Created October 17, 2013 at 5:02 AM

Have severe B12 deficiency that built up for awhile. Also have anemia. (These are apparently very common with SIBO. Going to hopefully get tested in the next day or two.)

Just tried garlic soaked in water for at least 15 minutes. 2 pieces caused lots of burping and decrease in consistently bloated stomach, and generally feeling less bloated or foggy, so it's likely working.

This link mentions garlic + water/oil/alcohol can bring out its active constituents and act like a broad-spectrum antibiotic and antimicrobial.

I've been reading a lot about how every person's natural gut flora can be quite diverse and never really recover its diversity and wide range of capabilities and use... if antibiotics are used, and they're killed off.

I've also read about relapse being common without actively encouraging good gut flora (such as through a probiotic. But, my concern is that though I'd be taking a high quality probiotic (Syontix) and probiotic foods, my gut flora will never regain its native diversity because the probiotics will only contain some of the more common, generic Bifido and Lacto strains.

My symptoms have been quite severe, and they've been over the course of a few years to 8. B12/MTHF, D3/K2, magnesium, zinc, and C supplementation has been helping tremendously. But, I still have some bloating and odd digestion.

I am going to stop the garlic until I obtain my prebiotics and probiotics so I can actively supplement with "good" bacteria. But I am still worried about losing my gut flora diversity.

Is there some other way to encourage the "beneficial" bacteria to overcome the "bad" bacteria and come back into balance? Can I kill off the bad bacteria while maintaining gut flora diversity? (either by leaving them alive or allowing them to repopulate after the bad bacteria are sufficiently suppressed)

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Bacteria seem to be specific for different conditions. Check out Dr. Dahlman's video (if you have money to spend on a supplement protocol). Also, Chris Kresser reports very good results with Prescript-Assist, which has a lot of soil-based bacteria.

Continue (if you haven't started) to go on a starch-free diet for a month before introducing starchy tubers or rice back into your diet.

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Also tried semi-strict GAPS and removing most veggies (FODMAPs) for awhile. Nothing good until suppementing B12/MTHF, even with a B12 rich diet with liver.

Hopefully tests will show more about symptoms and causes with more clarity.

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So, "cleaning up diet" might not necessarily be as big an issue as for most where diet alone helps. Though I suspect I haven't been eating enough fat and plan to add in some extra soon. Not sure what the root cause of my gut dysbiosis is. Seems I've had it for at least a decade, though the severity ramped up over the last 3-5 years.

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Couple more details: Was low-carb Paleo for about 8 months, have been eating PHD-style and higher to moderate-low carb (couple ayms a day, or some white rice). Feel much better with that + Vit. C + Vit. D3 + Vit. K2 (no more achy gums, lots of symptoms cleared up).

Diet is pretty clean apart from dark chocolate with raw sugar and ground vanilla beans occasionally: meat, fish, yams or rice, sauerkraut juice, supplements. No processed foods for 2+ months at all.

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Bacteria seem to be specific for different conditions. Check out Dr. Dahlman's video (if you have money to spend on a supplement protocol). Also, Chris Kresser reports very good results with Prescript-Assist, which has a lot of soil-based bacteria.

Continue (if you haven't started) to go on a starch-free diet for a month before introducing starchy tubers or rice back into your diet.

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