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How do you make / grow kefir grains without buying them?

Asked on February 28, 2016
Created April 07, 2012 at 11:09 PM

The companies that sell the grains??? and the people throughout history who have made kefir must have to make the grains without existing grains so how do you make kefir grains at home?

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on December 06, 2015
at 09:34 PM

Some claim they can be found in the wild by streams, and that people use them in both water or milk. I was gifted some with a purchase of raw milk.

That said, I've seen them appear occasionally in some kedir sitting in the fridge a long time as in months ... There were occasionally a few or one, other times I've bought someone else's goat kefir which was very thick and used that to boost my own kedir and in doing so poured the last few ounces into a jar with some raw cow milk, and occasionally one will appear.

 Another time I used a jar which was processing kedir for several months and just poured a little strained kefir in with milk and somehow between it and the layered jar, as in a strained second ferment for days which I continued the process for some time and some grains formed there.

I think it is possible to make them FROM a source which was activated from the real grains. As I've watched fresh batches after days of fermenting ball up the whey and curds and form both fatty globules as well as clear ones and over time watching them see them turn into grains. That said I think the majority of them come from the grains themselves as they grow and divide in their food source-milk.

My grains seem to like change be that from Cow to goat although they prefer goat, and from cool to warm even almost hot, they grow the best between 74-78 mine like 76 f but also they do well if the temp is cool like 40-50 or 60 then later in day stay at 76 with a short few hours at 80-86. When they constantly fluctuate I find my grains have the best flavor and fiZZ BUTBIF CORASE having them in an airtight container is far better for mine for that and other reasons.

i would say that if you just want them to manifest the best way is to get some pre made kefir and let it set til it gets room temp them fridge and repeat a few times then let then stay cold for a week or two, strain and hope you catch one. Ive seen it happen but not much, you may need to do it several times at least til you get your first one the. Take care feeding it new milk daily. It will go from the size of a pin head or the larger ones which Art tiny like a bic pen head to the size of a dime and quarter in a few days, keep changing the milk and second ferment the small batch until you have at least one tablespoon - then increase you volume to about a cup or two.

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on March 22, 2015
at 04:54 PM

Anyone know of source in NE AL? 

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on February 04, 2015
at 11:18 AM

Im in the process of trying. Ive been feeding about half liter home made coconut milk with raw sugar en honey en more milk en water. Its been fermenting in a glass bottle for about 6 weeks now. It smells when i open it- like vomit actually. Its still whitish without any green or brown flecks/growth. So if it even produces those waxy clots of kefir, ill let yall know!

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on July 09, 2014
at 10:40 AM

store bought kefir will give you some curds, but NOT grains. It is a probiotic made from a mix of bacteria and yeast to give it a kefir like flavor but isn't true kefir, and only has a fraction of the bacteria and yeast strains of actual kefir grown from grains.

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on July 09, 2014
at 10:39 AM

This tribe entry is incorrect and it's author confuses curds with kefir grains. He tells how to make a wild ferment, but had no actual experience with true kefir grains.

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on October 11, 2013
at 02:02 AM

I'd be very careful with this-- how do you know that the bacteria souring the coconut water is "good" bacteria" safe for ingestion? Fermenting needs to either start with the introduction of beneficial bacteria OR at least creating ideal conditions (ie high acid level) to discourage harmful bacteria in order to give natural and beneficial bacteria a chance to propagate.

By way of example, think about what would happen if you left plain milk out to sour--it's just as likely to spoil as ferment without the introduction of good bacteria.

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on October 10, 2013
at 10:48 PM

My email is [email protected]

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on October 10, 2013
at 10:48 PM

Do you still have this issue? I want to start making kefir and I'm in SF

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on June 27, 2013
at 12:33 PM

Yup, found mine on Craigslist. $10 for the grains, which I've already paid for many times over, with the amounts I've made :)

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on March 14, 2013
at 01:33 AM

interesting. I wonder what kind of ants to use though. The only ones near my house are black sugar ants and lord knows I dont want to eat what they've been eating! Probably spilled coke mostly... And their eggs must be tiny! It seems cheaper to just buy the grains than start an ant farm.

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:19 AM

Is this old? I'm in santa clara and have been looking everywhere for some grains. Do you still have some?

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on June 13, 2012
at 08:55 PM

Or see if there's a freecycle mailing list near you and post your request there.

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on April 09, 2012
at 02:29 AM

Thanks for the offer, there's lot available here, I just wanted to make them.

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on April 08, 2012
at 03:57 PM

I assume I will still have a bunch. Post your email here, and I can send you my contact info.

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on April 08, 2012
at 12:38 PM

I'll be in the area at the end of May. If you still have grains to share, I would love some!

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on April 08, 2012
at 01:27 AM

legend has it that Mohammed was involved. They were closely guarded, called "grains of the prophet". then the Russians managed to snag them. They multiply, so they started spreading across Europe. Since I got mine from a local health food store a month or less ago, I've already shared the excess with three other people.

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on April 08, 2012
at 12:35 AM

The crazy thing is that no one knows how humans discovered them. That would be a cool PhD thesis in genetics. There is some legend about some king and how Mohammed gave him the original grains. So you could ask Mohammed.

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on April 07, 2012
at 11:22 PM

There is no way to "make" grains at home from scratch. I know what you're saying but I tried for a year to find a way and everyone told me it was not possible. I'm big on DIY and there's a way to make nearly everything at home but I turned up nothing on kefir grains. I'm not sure where all these grains originally came from but there does not appear to be a way to create this complex creature on your own at home.

You might be able to find someone locally who is willing to share. That's how I got my latest batch. Check Craigslist or the farmer's market maybe?

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on June 13, 2012
at 08:55 PM

Or see if there's a freecycle mailing list near you and post your request there.

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on June 27, 2013
at 12:33 PM

Yup, found mine on Craigslist. $10 for the grains, which I've already paid for many times over, with the amounts I've made :)

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on April 07, 2012
at 11:34 PM

So I make "quick & dirty" kefir by mixing 1/3 store-bought organic kefir with 2/3 raw goats milk & leaving it on the counter for 12-18 hours.

You can strain the finished kefir & you will have some grains--but not as many different strains as you will get from getting grains from someone else.

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on February 28, 2016
at 05:45 AM

store bough kefir does not have yeast, the yeast and bacteria work together, thats why store bought kefir is not good for multiple used. But if you can get 2-3 batches from a store bought kefir then its a good little run.

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on July 09, 2014
at 10:40 AM

store bought kefir will give you some curds, but NOT grains. It is a probiotic made from a mix of bacteria and yeast to give it a kefir like flavor but isn't true kefir, and only has a fraction of the bacteria and yeast strains of actual kefir grown from grains.

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on April 07, 2012
at 11:21 PM

It's a culture that has been propagated and passed down for many generations. If you're not willing to buy some, you'll need to hook up with someone who has extras they're willing to give you. The grains multiply, and anyone who is regularly making kefir is going to end up with more grains than he needs.

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on December 17, 2012
at 08:29 PM

People give away extra kefir grains on Craigslist all the tume.

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on October 28, 2012
at 06:58 AM

You can try your local Freecycle, I got some there once.

Last time I bought from a reputable dealer on eBay and these grains are the best ever--they double every week so I'm always looking for people to give them away to (North SF Bay Area--Sonoma County).

You can even buy them on Amazon.

There are powders that will innoculate your milk but not as well as the real kefir grains.

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on October 28, 2012
at 02:56 AM

I noticed this is pretty high on Google search so I'd like to chime in for anyone that finds this. The most plausible theory at this time is that kefir grains originated from sheep intestinal bacteria. Scientists have tried to use pure cultures to recreate kefir grains and haven't had much luck - so this isn't something you can DIY. However, once you have a kefir grain or grains it will multiply over time. In this sense you are making your own kefir grains, but you must start with a kefir grain(s) that is obtained. If you are looking for kefir grains check out simplykefir.com or check your local craigslist

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on March 14, 2013
at 01:33 AM

interesting. I wonder what kind of ants to use though. The only ones near my house are black sugar ants and lord knows I dont want to eat what they've been eating! Probably spilled coke mostly... And their eggs must be tiny! It seems cheaper to just buy the grains than start an ant farm.

Be8e882e66a1c0924b4b3f3e1ae1f851

on July 09, 2014
at 10:39 AM

This tribe entry is incorrect and it's author confuses curds with kefir grains. He tells how to make a wild ferment, but had no actual experience with true kefir grains.

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on April 07, 2012
at 11:35 PM

where are you located? I'm in the SF Bay area, and I've got kefir grains coming out of my ears. Happy to share.

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on August 29, 2015
at 03:50 AM

Hi, My name is Andi, I live in the Bay area, and i was wondering, if you still have some milk kefir grain. I would like to start making my own kefir. Thank You 

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on August 29, 2015
at 03:50 AM

Hi, My name is Andi, I live in the Bay area, and i was wondering, if you still have some milk kefir grain. I would like to start making my own kefir. Thank You 

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on February 03, 2015
at 07:43 PM

email address is [email protected]

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on February 03, 2015
at 07:43 PM

Hi I know this post is really really old but I really would love to get some grains. Do you still have some?

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on January 11, 2015
at 10:10 PM

Well this post is a bit old but I am back in Bay after 5 years and going to spend whole Spring at a farm in Sonoma. Would love to do experiments in kitchen and Kefir sounds too good to pass on. 

I hope you still have some kefir to give away and located in Bay Area. My email is mntokman at gmail

Thanks

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on April 09, 2012
at 02:29 AM

Thanks for the offer, there's lot available here, I just wanted to make them.

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on April 08, 2012
at 03:57 PM

I assume I will still have a bunch. Post your email here, and I can send you my contact info.

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on April 08, 2012
at 12:38 PM

I'll be in the area at the end of May. If you still have grains to share, I would love some!

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:19 AM

Is this old? I'm in santa clara and have been looking everywhere for some grains. Do you still have some?

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on October 10, 2013
at 10:48 PM

Do you still have this issue? I want to start making kefir and I'm in SF

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on October 10, 2013
at 10:48 PM

My email is [email protected]

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on February 28, 2016
at 05:42 AM

Kefir grains are not actual grains, its bacteria and in order to "get it" you would have to identify the sources of food or places that type of bacteria likes to grow on, Im sure back in the day it was accidently discovered and passed down generation by generation, now today scientist make petri dishes to isolate each bacteria stran then add it to milk or water, depending on the stran to make comercial kefir.

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on August 30, 2015
at 11:04 PM

Historians don't agree on the original source of kefir grains, but I read somewhere that ancient people just considered them a gift from the gods. Sorry, I can't find the source again. 

Basically, it all stems from that original source, and you just have to keep it going. Theoretically, if all the kefir grains in the world died, we'd be screwed :(

I think I also read somewhere that occasionally, kefir grains can be found in the mouth of a sheep. Or the intestines. There's a little bit about that on wikipedia. 

http://blog.lingualift.com/kefir-history-recipe/

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on February 28, 2016
at 05:48 AM

yes, because kefir grains are not real grains like rice or oats its a bacteria, the bacteria exist all over the world most likely found in the stomach of many mamals, you would have to identify the organism in order to select the correct strand, this can be difficult for someone with out a biology background a microscope and the ability to plate backteria and isolate it.

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on June 23, 2015
at 04:31 PM

Hey,

 

I am currently in process of my kefir grain. This is what i am doing.

I have bought one time a store bought kefir. Took 2-3 tablespoon of kefir into glass jar and feel the jar with warm (30-35°c) milk and put in the oven(switched off :-P) or any other warm place. wait for 24-48 hour or till when kefir is ready. (In case if kefir is not ready you can wait for more 24 hours.)Now I strained it with kalandar or some strainer and I ended up with few grains.(Now repeat the process. Add that grain as well as 2-3 tbsp of kefir and milk.) After several days I have have now about 1 tsp of grain and i am very optimistic that soon I will have good amount of kefir grain:-p

Happy experimenting :-) :-)

p.s. Home made kefir taste way (10x) more tastier than the store bought.

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on June 27, 2013
at 11:43 AM

We started a new Kefir community at http://www.wheretofindkefirgrains.com. Please join in on the discussions! thanks Alex

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on April 15, 2013
at 04:08 AM

Just like mold spores of tempeh or koji you have to get them from somewhere. The chances of them appearing are 1 in a 1,000,000. You have to get real grains from a good source. We have seen the grains grow inside fruit but with the real grains in the jar, too You cannot make your own grains. This site rocks them out with 5 different types of water kefir, plus the milk grians. www.organic-cultures.com

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on March 13, 2013
at 09:31 PM

I have 4 different probiotics, water kefir, milk kefir, kombucha and jun scobies. My website is https://sites.google.com/site/desertoasisbuckeye/shopnow where you can order online or you could mail a check. Let me know if you want to order some. You can pick up in Buckeye or I can mail your order.

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on January 02, 2013
at 07:02 PM

Hello, I am trying to make kefir for the first time, someone in Chicago can lend me some kefir grains to try out? Thank you in advance.

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on October 28, 2012
at 03:13 AM

If you can find an Opuntia cactus, it looks like you can DIY water kefir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibicos.

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on December 11, 2012
at 05:33 PM

I made coconut water kefir using nothing but the coconut water and a tightly sealed glass jar at room temperature.

Has anyone else tried this? Do the same types of good bacteria form just as if i was using the grains?

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on October 11, 2013
at 02:02 AM

I'd be very careful with this-- how do you know that the bacteria souring the coconut water is "good" bacteria" safe for ingestion? Fermenting needs to either start with the introduction of beneficial bacteria OR at least creating ideal conditions (ie high acid level) to discourage harmful bacteria in order to give natural and beneficial bacteria a chance to propagate.

By way of example, think about what would happen if you left plain milk out to sour--it's just as likely to spoil as ferment without the introduction of good bacteria.

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on June 13, 2012
at 09:04 PM

I make my own kefir grains just google it,pretty simple once you get the hang of it

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