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What Paleo™ are you? Today?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created December 04, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Your answer may change in the future but.....REDO!...So what type Paleo are you?

I find this site "Paleohacks" is not necessarily about "Paleo???" and that's cool. It's a variation of Paleo/Primal/PHD/Science/Evolution/CW whatever. The predominant protocol here is "do what works for you". I'm not against that, but it's lean via contributors is "Do what works for you in the realm of real food."....not bad at all.

So we have a variety here....that I don't consider just Paleo. So if Paleo is no dairy/no legumes/no grains....eat meat, vegetables, fruit, nuts, and seeds......then what variation are you?

You see, I don't agree with the preferred stance that "Paleo" is anything that works for you. I feel you have to take the strict route before adding in the possibilities to really determine personal difference. And even at that point there, at least in my mind, is a very real debate as to whether those items are just tolerable or actually beneficial.

Vegetarianism, SAD, and a variety of things "work" for people....Paleo is suppose to be more than that. We are talking about systems and pathological situations that take decades to develop. How in the world could you determine...."Well you ate it and didn't feel bad the next 24-72 hrs" means it is an item that is safe?

My answer: Primal.....cause I see meat and veggies and some fruit/nuts/seeds good bases for health both evolutionary and new science...I do consider carbohydrates or safe starches in and of themselves to be optional and therefore not worth my time or effort...I don't know if they are detrimental BUT I do deny that they are required....dairy is gray zone that I take advantage of on occasion......

And your answer is?

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on December 06, 2011
at 05:10 AM

Actually, I don't believe that we evolved in the tropics and even if we did, most fruits are only ripe for a short time, sure we would have eaten unripe fruit, if we had to, and had GI upset galore from it too. We evolved eating animals. Andy - actually fructose is a poison, utilize google.

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on December 05, 2011
at 07:39 PM

that's kind of silly. fructose isn't a poison anymore than water is a poison. the dose makes the poison

E34fbfa1bca9ae970c9c7313bf9de9f8

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on December 05, 2011
at 07:36 PM

fructose isn't a poison anymore than water is a poison. the dose makes the poison.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 05, 2011
at 05:33 PM

Fun, isn't it, trying to get around these issues. I just used my water kefir to make a sourdough starter from scratch and I'm following a slow-rise method to make sourdough bread that's supposed to be nearly gluten free. Even if I can't handle it, it will be much better for my grandson than store-bought.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 05, 2011
at 05:30 PM

@Bill, A phobia about avoiding all fruit is no better than the phobia to avoid all fat--and that was also backed by "science." We evolved in the tropics where fruits are much sweeter than in most of the US. The apples and pears, etc., you're talking about are less sweet than many tropical fruits that haven't been tampered with.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 05, 2011
at 05:26 PM

@Bill1102inf, I use heavy cream and honey in my coffee and my BG stays around 100--I agree it might be the cream that helps.

Ded84388fef90e4209cf9520d1456a95

(530)

on December 05, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Gotcha. Yes, I'm hoping that in time some of my food sensitivities will subside. Just gotta keep making that bone broth!

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on December 05, 2011
at 03:46 PM

@Charlie: I don't think it generally is, but I seem to react to it. My sister is very allergic to pork (via skin prick test), and I notice an improvement when I take it out. I think with leaky gut the body can come up with all sorts of wonky allergies.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on December 05, 2011
at 03:17 PM

Bill~ Seems like the heavy cream slows down the sugar absorption. I definitely have to keep it to 2 flat tsp, though!

Ded84388fef90e4209cf9520d1456a95

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on December 05, 2011
at 03:06 PM

@Sara is pork implicated in autoimmune issues? I'm on Wolf's protocol because of digestive problems and acne, but I've definitely been eating more bacon than ever before since going paleo.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

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on December 05, 2011
at 01:17 PM

@Alan, it's definitely a good start, but it isn't always enough for some people. When I first went primal, I incidentally started eating more pork/bacon. At first I felt great, but as the weeks went on I felt worse and worse. Removing pork from my diet made a big difference. Same with nuts. Eating whole unprocessed food wasn't itself enough to overcome food allergies/sensitivities.

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

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on December 05, 2011
at 08:47 AM

Roast honey badger, yum..

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

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on December 05, 2011
at 08:35 AM

I think eating clean unprocessed,grass-fed/ wild-caught natural food is always going to work, today tomorrow and forever more.

E46d4f7e35e46ee4e8211ab4bc852023

(1510)

on December 05, 2011
at 03:47 AM

Where do you get the stickers ?!

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:56 AM

Dragon, you do not get sugar swings from 2tsp of sugar? I wish I could do this.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:53 AM

Additionally, I hope everyone is aware that only high intensity weight training burns stored muscle glycogen - most cardio burns fat - albeit a very small amount of fat.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:50 AM

Athletes should know that unless you go through all your muscle glycogen AND all your liver glycogen there is no benefit to consuming fructose whatsoever. If your muscles and liver are empty - fructose will reload your LIVER first - very little converted glycogen will make it to your muscles. Consuming both fructose AND glucose will probably cause your liver to fill its glycogen stores and then the dex will head off to your muscles but the fructose will convert to vLDL and Triglycerides. Sorry, but that is what the science says.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:48 AM

I do mean whole fruit and especially any 'fruit juice'. And by whole fruit I mean the genetically altered, hybridized super sugar bombs known as oranges,apples,peaches,etc but not berries. Everyone should educate themselves about fructose metabolism. Google it and read something not put out by the corn or orange juice industry.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:45 AM

That made little to no sense.....I'm gonna keep drinkning and come back to this later :P

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:40 AM

I'm with you rogue...and feel the strong points of paleo to be relatively important to autoimmune persons....I dont especially know why eliminating night shades and dairy reduces symptomatic responce of autoimmune disease but in a risk/reward capacity I would sure as hell give it a try....and that does lead into our discussion of eventual optimization vs. do you just tolerate?

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on December 05, 2011
at 02:09 AM

What Matthew said.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on December 05, 2011
at 01:55 AM

I am Paleo LUPA OS 9.0™

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 05, 2011
at 01:36 AM

It sounds like you have a great attitude about all this! Have fun discovering foods. My first pleasant surprise was when I tried rutabagas. Not only do I love them but my still-partly SAD grandkid does too.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 05, 2011
at 01:36 AM

It sounds like you have a great attitude about all this! Have fun discovering foods. My first pleasant surprise was when I tried rutabagas. Not only do I love them but my still-partly grandkid does too.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on December 05, 2011
at 01:33 AM

I am Paleo LUPA OS XOX™

A3f8b8cf6b1e665cacc38cb431631274

(111)

on December 05, 2011
at 12:41 AM

well thats because you only get some benefit from fructose. I never rob myself by making my body try to process fructose into a useable form. Your body has a very limited space for storing fructose as opposed to glucose

Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

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on December 05, 2011
at 12:30 AM

I've yet to find an apple that can exceed the combined storage of my muscles and liver when I'm fully depleted...

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 05, 2011
at 12:26 AM

My favorite fruit is grapefruit and I eat a whole one almost every day without any BG problems whatsoever. The only fruit that's given me a spike so far is pineapple without eating fatty meat first.

A3f8b8cf6b1e665cacc38cb431631274

(111)

on December 05, 2011
at 12:16 AM

depends on the fruit for me. I only do fruits that are not bred to be sugar hogs, meaning that they are usually not pleasant to eat. Crab apples, tart cherries and huckleberries. Though i like berries. Things like gala apples and bananas and oranges are just bags of water and sugar, of which your body can only store a small fraction of as muscle or liver sugar

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 05, 2011
at 12:12 AM

Wait, I'm confused. If you mean HFCS, I'm totally on board. But I hope you don't mean whole fruit. I don't drink juice unless it's been through fermentation in my water kefir. However, if I go more than a day or so without a piece of whole fruit I do not thrive.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 05, 2011
at 12:09 AM

We'll have to disagree on that one. I can go a week or more without anything starchy but if I go more than a day or so without a piece of whole fruit I do not thrive. I do agree that HFCS is poison.

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on December 05, 2011
at 12:09 AM

I am Paleo Label-free™.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on December 05, 2011
at 12:06 AM

I have my tea the same way.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on December 05, 2011
at 12:05 AM

Sounds good dragonfly...I only use honey(once every other day in coffee on average), but I do have a little one on the Gaps\SCD protocol that promotes getting your sugar from monosaccarhides. Di and poly's are detrimental due to feeding the gut dysbiosis. Dunno if fibrous tubors or starthy vegetables contribute to such a problem even in a healthy individual, but you can see by this response some of my concerns.

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:49 PM

I love that brekfast DragonFly. So yummy...

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on December 04, 2011
at 11:47 PM

Jay~ I don't know much about the GAPS diet. I just avoid too much fructose, lactose, and other FODMAPS. Honey doesn't work for me unless it's a *tiny* amount. Unrefined table sugar is cheap & seems to work well with my digestion. I tend to keep my carbs around 70-100 gm/day

A3f8b8cf6b1e665cacc38cb431631274

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:45 PM

hey, ya gotta treat yourself with some fatty meats ;)

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:44 PM

See, thats exactly why I said Primal Nance!!! Fermented veges and even "dairy" are top of the list...I'm sure someone else can point it out but Mark points to fermented dairy as being leaps and bounds above any other source! Personally I AM TOTALLY WITH YOU IN RIPPING OUT MY VEGGIES WITH SOME FERMENTATION!!! I gots tons of things going in pots at this point and they taste AWESOME!!!

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on December 04, 2011
at 11:33 PM

(psst....Option-2....)

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:33 PM

I've looked into this and it seems GAPSesque to me.....Dragonfly can correct me if I'm wrong. I kinda include sugars like real fruit and honey and non-starch based sugars before I use any di or polysaturated sugars in my meals.....I hop dragonfly corrects this if I'm wrong though.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on December 04, 2011
at 11:32 PM

Nice how helpful it is to be in an online community, huh?

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:32 PM

agree with this except sometimes my meats are not so lean.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:28 PM

Rock on cuz I dont :P...

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:24 PM

what does this mean practically? I am curious what your typical meals look like.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:16 PM

It's so fun that I know how to do ™ on the Mac...

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9
98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on December 05, 2011
at 06:46 AM

I think your definition of paleo may be too rigid. Paleo is an idea. A philosophy. It's an umbrella that can and does encompass many different foods and combinations of foods as well as some other lifestyle choices.

Paleo is also about personal responsibility. Making your own decisions based on your own thoughts and your own body and then dealing with the consequences both good and maybe not-so-good.

I think that's exactly what we discuss here. Oh and I'm one of those kind of paleos.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 04, 2011
at 11:27 PM

I started Primal, considering going Archevore but now consider myself ancestral.

I figure ancestral can include recipes used by traditional societies, including very slow-rise (water kefir) sourdough bread (only as a holiday treat) and fermented foods such as water kefir, full-fat yogurt and veggies including sauerkraut.

Basically, I don't think we were meant to eat just a few foods. I also think natural processes using the sun and microbes are fine.

I'm determined to permanently avoid manufactured food-like products.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on December 04, 2011
at 11:44 PM

See, thats exactly why I said Primal Nance!!! Fermented veges and even "dairy" are top of the list...I'm sure someone else can point it out but Mark points to fermented dairy as being leaps and bounds above any other source! Personally I AM TOTALLY WITH YOU IN RIPPING OUT MY VEGGIES WITH SOME FERMENTATION!!! I gots tons of things going in pots at this point and they taste AWESOME!!!

6
7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on December 04, 2011
at 11:20 PM

I love your emphasis on "Today" with this question. It points to the fluid nature of these things: what works today may not work tomorrow.

To answer your question: I started off primal, but due to an autoimmune diagnosis, I'm currently paleo (Robb's autoimmune protocol).

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

(1781)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:35 AM

I think eating clean unprocessed,grass-fed/ wild-caught natural food is always going to work, today tomorrow and forever more.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on December 05, 2011
at 03:46 PM

@Charlie: I don't think it generally is, but I seem to react to it. My sister is very allergic to pork (via skin prick test), and I notice an improvement when I take it out. I think with leaky gut the body can come up with all sorts of wonky allergies.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on December 05, 2011
at 01:17 PM

@Alan, it's definitely a good start, but it isn't always enough for some people. When I first went primal, I incidentally started eating more pork/bacon. At first I felt great, but as the weeks went on I felt worse and worse. Removing pork from my diet made a big difference. Same with nuts. Eating whole unprocessed food wasn't itself enough to overcome food allergies/sensitivities.

Ded84388fef90e4209cf9520d1456a95

(530)

on December 05, 2011
at 03:06 PM

@Sara is pork implicated in autoimmune issues? I'm on Wolf's protocol because of digestive problems and acne, but I've definitely been eating more bacon than ever before since going paleo.

Ded84388fef90e4209cf9520d1456a95

(530)

on December 05, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Gotcha. Yes, I'm hoping that in time some of my food sensitivities will subside. Just gotta keep making that bone broth!

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Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on December 05, 2011
at 02:14 AM

Well, first of all, I'm very curious as to why you think the term paleo has a very specific definition, and what you think that definition is (and who defined it)? I guess I think that my paleolithic ancestors surely must have experimented plenty with food, and that people in different places had very different diets from each other due to availability. I personally eat a diet that has evolved from years of self experimentation, and I don't know what the label is for it...its just perfect for me, for the most part, for now. I eat grassfed beef, organs, pastured poultry, grassfed lamb, pastured pork, eggs from my pastured hens, wild salmon, wild trout, shellfish, sardines, low sugar vegetables in season, some nuts, stevia, tea, coconut, some tubers, some winter squash, a little fruit, fermented fruit, veggies and beverages mostly homemade, fats such as ghee, butter, coconut oil, chicken fat, duck fat, bacon fat, lard and tallow...

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:40 AM

I'm with you rogue...and feel the strong points of paleo to be relatively important to autoimmune persons....I dont especially know why eliminating night shades and dairy reduces symptomatic responce of autoimmune disease but in a risk/reward capacity I would sure as hell give it a try....and that does lead into our discussion of eventual optimization vs. do you just tolerate?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on December 05, 2011
at 02:45 AM

That made little to no sense.....I'm gonna keep drinkning and come back to this later :P

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7255a87872b75e6f691d84dca769b87e

on December 05, 2011
at 12:40 AM

I'm meat n' tubers low food reward paleo. No nuts, seeds, fruit, or vegetables in my ancestral diet, just pastured animals and plant storage organs. I quite enjoy my safe starches; while not physiologically required, they give me tons of energy that I for all intents and purposes need as a trail-running, carless, insulin sensitive, hard-studying student. That's the beauty of the paleo framework: my paleo isn't the paleo of a recovering type 2 diabetic, and that's ok!

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:17 PM

I'm Primal with a side of Ray Peat

ETA:

...and low FODMAPS...and occasional rice crackers/corn chips!

For me this means:

Meal 1(when I eat it--I often IF): 3 free-range eggs scrambled in butter with lactose-free sour cream & salsa, black tea with cream & 2 tsp sugar.

Meal 2: Grassfed Meat with greens, kombucha, dark chocolate, home-made low-sugar "jello"

Meal 3: Chicken Liver Pat?? or Salmon Pat?? on Rice Crackers, black tea with cream & 2 tsp sugar. Ice Cream and/or Dark Chocolate

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on December 04, 2011
at 11:33 PM

I've looked into this and it seems GAPSesque to me.....Dragonfly can correct me if I'm wrong. I kinda include sugars like real fruit and honey and non-starch based sugars before I use any di or polysaturated sugars in my meals.....I hop dragonfly corrects this if I'm wrong though.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on December 05, 2011
at 12:05 AM

Sounds good dragonfly...I only use honey(once every other day in coffee on average), but I do have a little one on the Gaps\SCD protocol that promotes getting your sugar from monosaccarhides. Di and poly's are detrimental due to feeding the gut dysbiosis. Dunno if fibrous tubors or starthy vegetables contribute to such a problem even in a healthy individual, but you can see by this response some of my concerns.

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(20378)

on December 04, 2011
at 11:49 PM

I love that brekfast DragonFly. So yummy...

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:24 PM

what does this mean practically? I am curious what your typical meals look like.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on December 04, 2011
at 11:47 PM

Jay~ I don't know much about the GAPS diet. I just avoid too much fructose, lactose, and other FODMAPS. Honey doesn't work for me unless it's a *tiny* amount. Unrefined table sugar is cheap & seems to work well with my digestion. I tend to keep my carbs around 70-100 gm/day

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on December 05, 2011
at 12:06 AM

I have my tea the same way.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on December 05, 2011
at 03:17 PM

Bill~ Seems like the heavy cream slows down the sugar absorption. I definitely have to keep it to 2 flat tsp, though!

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:56 AM

Dragon, you do not get sugar swings from 2tsp of sugar? I wish I could do this.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 05, 2011
at 05:26 PM

@Bill1102inf, I use heavy cream and honey in my coffee and my BG stays around 100--I agree it might be the cream that helps.

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on December 05, 2011
at 06:59 AM

It would have been a bit more thoughtful of our ancestors to have taken the time to put their daily numbers into Fitday! This black box is so frustrating! Custom food: roast honey badger.

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

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on December 05, 2011
at 08:47 AM

Roast honey badger, yum..

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on December 05, 2011
at 12:57 AM

Uh-oh... I knew there were slight differences or variations, but I thought Paleo and Primal and Ancestral basically meant the same thing!

I'm "Archevore" myself (where does this variation fit in with the other labels?), since that was my introduction to the diet aspects of this lifestyle, and so far it's working very well for me. I'm not a fan of labels in general, but I know everyone recognizes it as Dr. Harris' outline.

So I eat pastured chicken/eggs and butter, some heavy cream (no half&half or milk), occasional aged cheese, beef (about 75% grassfed), a mix of wild caught and farmed fish, fresh shrimp from the market, sweet potatoes, white potatoes, bananas, plantains, occasional white rice, mustard/collard greens, carrots, asparagus, etc. I had also been eating some 85% chocolate occasionally, but I'm now working on removing all pre-packaged foods of any kind and just eating whole, fresh, real everything.

I'm focusing on simple, basic, "essentials" for the first few months (I just started all this on 11/1) to give my body a chance to adjust/detox/whatever, while at the same time learning to prepare and cook food properly for once. I'm 32 and up until now I've mostly only ever made typical SAD box food at home. For me, this = shame.

I'm looking forward to branching out a bit in the coming months once I learn to cook more, but for now I'm cautious/curious about each food or ingredient I select.

I feel like I'm starting with a blank slate with respect to eating, so simple seems to work best for now.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 05, 2011
at 01:36 AM

It sounds like you have a great attitude about all this! Have fun discovering foods. My first pleasant surprise was when I tried rutabagas. Not only do I love them but my still-partly grandkid does too.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 05, 2011
at 01:36 AM

It sounds like you have a great attitude about all this! Have fun discovering foods. My first pleasant surprise was when I tried rutabagas. Not only do I love them but my still-partly SAD grandkid does too.

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1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

on December 04, 2011
at 11:53 PM

I eat things that once had faces, came out of something with a face or grew from the ground and started off as being green. I stay away from fructose and regularly put little stickers on fructose containing foods at the grocery that say "FRUCTOSE = POISON"

A3f8b8cf6b1e665cacc38cb431631274

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on December 05, 2011
at 12:41 AM

well thats because you only get some benefit from fructose. I never rob myself by making my body try to process fructose into a useable form. Your body has a very limited space for storing fructose as opposed to glucose

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 05, 2011
at 12:09 AM

We'll have to disagree on that one. I can go a week or more without anything starchy but if I go more than a day or so without a piece of whole fruit I do not thrive. I do agree that HFCS is poison.

Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

(5332)

on December 05, 2011
at 12:30 AM

I've yet to find an apple that can exceed the combined storage of my muscles and liver when I'm fully depleted...

E46d4f7e35e46ee4e8211ab4bc852023

(1510)

on December 05, 2011
at 03:47 AM

Where do you get the stickers ?!

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:53 AM

Additionally, I hope everyone is aware that only high intensity weight training burns stored muscle glycogen - most cardio burns fat - albeit a very small amount of fat.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 05, 2011
at 05:30 PM

@Bill, A phobia about avoiding all fruit is no better than the phobia to avoid all fat--and that was also backed by "science." We evolved in the tropics where fruits are much sweeter than in most of the US. The apples and pears, etc., you're talking about are less sweet than many tropical fruits that haven't been tampered with.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 05, 2011
at 12:12 AM

Wait, I'm confused. If you mean HFCS, I'm totally on board. But I hope you don't mean whole fruit. I don't drink juice unless it's been through fermentation in my water kefir. However, if I go more than a day or so without a piece of whole fruit I do not thrive.

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on December 06, 2011
at 05:10 AM

Actually, I don't believe that we evolved in the tropics and even if we did, most fruits are only ripe for a short time, sure we would have eaten unripe fruit, if we had to, and had GI upset galore from it too. We evolved eating animals. Andy - actually fructose is a poison, utilize google.

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on December 05, 2011
at 12:16 AM

depends on the fruit for me. I only do fruits that are not bred to be sugar hogs, meaning that they are usually not pleasant to eat. Crab apples, tart cherries and huckleberries. Though i like berries. Things like gala apples and bananas and oranges are just bags of water and sugar, of which your body can only store a small fraction of as muscle or liver sugar

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on December 05, 2011
at 12:26 AM

My favorite fruit is grapefruit and I eat a whole one almost every day without any BG problems whatsoever. The only fruit that's given me a spike so far is pineapple without eating fatty meat first.

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on December 05, 2011
at 07:39 PM

that's kind of silly. fructose isn't a poison anymore than water is a poison. the dose makes the poison

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:50 AM

Athletes should know that unless you go through all your muscle glycogen AND all your liver glycogen there is no benefit to consuming fructose whatsoever. If your muscles and liver are empty - fructose will reload your LIVER first - very little converted glycogen will make it to your muscles. Consuming both fructose AND glucose will probably cause your liver to fill its glycogen stores and then the dex will head off to your muscles but the fructose will convert to vLDL and Triglycerides. Sorry, but that is what the science says.

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:48 AM

I do mean whole fruit and especially any 'fruit juice'. And by whole fruit I mean the genetically altered, hybridized super sugar bombs known as oranges,apples,peaches,etc but not berries. Everyone should educate themselves about fructose metabolism. Google it and read something not put out by the corn or orange juice industry.

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on December 05, 2011
at 07:36 PM

fructose isn't a poison anymore than water is a poison. the dose makes the poison.

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on December 05, 2011
at 12:34 PM

Individualistic paleo. I've figured out what works and what doesn't. What I tolerate well, and what I don't. I question all paleo "rules" before implementing fully in the long term.

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:07 AM

I'd consider myself a Harris-esque Archevore who also eats low-FODMAPS for my IBS. I am experimenting with a little white or pre-soaked brown rice, haven't quite found my groove yet there. Not doing any dairy at all right now, but hope to bring some it if my symptoms stabilize.

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on December 05, 2011
at 05:33 PM

Fun, isn't it, trying to get around these issues. I just used my water kefir to make a sourdough starter from scratch and I'm following a slow-rise method to make sourdough bread that's supposed to be nearly gluten free. Even if I can't handle it, it will be much better for my grandson than store-bought.

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on December 05, 2011
at 01:36 AM

I started with WAPF, tried Wolf-style paleo, switched to Sisson-style primal and, coming full circle, settled on WAPF without grains (I don't really do much dairy either).

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:30 PM

I'm Euro-paleo. Since my genetics allow me to digest milk efficiently i have a limited quantity in my diet to increase my protein and allow me a good carb source after hard workouts. Other than that i keep it to lean meats, veggies and occasional nuts and fiberous tubers.

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:32 PM

agree with this except sometimes my meats are not so lean.

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on December 04, 2011
at 11:45 PM

hey, ya gotta treat yourself with some fatty meats ;)

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on December 05, 2011
at 06:11 PM

Paleo would never have received any mainstream notoriety without the original "purists" who believed that true Paleo didn't allow for any modification.

But since the word of Paleo has begun to spread, the definition of Paleo/Primal/Ancestral/etc... has become a little fuzzy.

IMHO, the strictest form of Paleo is the best & healthiest for all of us.

However, I really, really, really enjoy my morning cup of coffee with cream. It's worth the little bit of mucus I get in my throat after drinking.

And when I'm out with buddies, I will down a few non-Paleo beers.

And that's okay....for me.

I'm Paleo most of the time, except for when I don't want to be Paleo

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on December 06, 2011
at 04:39 AM

I'm Paleo 2.14. New release allows for nut intake, but only on Mondays and Wednesdays.

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on December 06, 2011
at 02:44 AM

We went the Paleo route because my husband had serious health problems following Type A Bloodtype Diet (80% vegetarian grains and legumes). I had some benefits being a Type O (Paleoish/Paleo-like - few grains and legumes, lots of red meat!) but I was didn't get the body comp and resolving of health issues as much as on a Paleo version of health.

I was low-carb organic (but still eating SAD) for about a year before Paleo and saw some benefits but not as much as Paleo.

The hubby and I started Paleo in Oct 2011 and successfully reintroduced dairy (90% pastured) a month later and so became Primals.

We got lazy in wintertime (Jan-April 2011) due to poor produce selection and accidentally went VLC and LC Primal.

We had a few minor new issues, so then put in safe starches and small amounts of white rice back in. These solved those minor issues. Since June 2011 we have been following the Perfect Health Diet version of Paleo.

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on December 05, 2011
at 06:07 PM

I eat mostly meat, eggs and veggies.

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on December 05, 2011
at 05:20 PM

Started "pure" Paleo, and have moved gradually to PHD + raw milk. I do the occasional cheat, but am probably 95%+ compliant. The milk is because I'm trying to put on muscle ... one of the reasons I introduced safe starches as well, to power better weight workouts.

Since there is a history of heart disease in my family, I also supplement a lot of K2 and it's supporting vitamins.

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on December 05, 2011
at 07:09 AM

I am PHD/WAPF with lots of cheats :-).

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