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Peanuts, peanut butter, peanut oil.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 11, 2011 at 12:58 AM

Aside from the argument of lectin content and omega 3-6 ratios, why can I not consume peanuts or peanut butter when adopting the Paleo lifestyle? It seems to me their "naughtiness" is over-hyped.

Regarding peanut oil, is it actually made from peanuts (only) or are their added ingredients?

Thanks.

76f3ead3aa977d876bcf3331d35a36e9

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

^ True dat. According to wikipedia, "aflatoxins are toxic and among the most carcinogenic substances known". Peanuts are particularly susceptible to the fungus that produces aflatoxin.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 29, 2012
at 06:25 PM

That's scary and incredibly interesting.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on July 28, 2012
at 12:35 AM

Lina I'm also sorry that you choose to hear "ugly" in my words. I am only speaking the truth. ANd did you miss the part where I said it's fine to eat peanut butter every now and then? Honestly! Toughen up! Why do you care what I think???? Don't care what I think of what you eat. If you think paleo means eating peanut butter then have at it. Stick your face in a jar and go be happy. But don't tell anyone who states the FACT that the paleo diet eschews peanut butter as UGLY for heaven's sake. That's just silly.

50934261cb13f9de8272430d0870ac3f

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on July 27, 2012
at 07:41 PM

I think you sounded ugly. Sorry. I consider myself paleo but I don't bother making my own HFCS free condiments and I do occasionally eat PB. Part of this is because I am a caregiver and work in the homes of elderly people from the depression era and when they were young food was food and you didn't have the leisure of picking and choosing what you "want" to eat. My point is, is that they like me to enjoy meals with them and I try hard to keep it as paleo as I can but I don't consider myself any less paleo because I indulge some times.

9ac8a7b68cf079b22de42b703e466e64

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on October 07, 2011
at 06:00 AM

no it's not just about keeping it even. any PUFA (omega 3 and omega 6) is inflammatory when consumed in excess, usually 3-4% of your caloric intake. so just eating peanut butter and taking massive doses to "balance" things out won't help. the best advice is the minimize omega 6 through dietary sources, that is avoid it in the first place. have a tbsp peanut butter once a week or something if your really wanting some.

Ff6560918e3b3cede8958b070cc07822

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on July 14, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Ummm... That sounds amazing.

2d5221fa80d04a3d8ac6f471f9feae81

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on July 12, 2011
at 01:22 AM

What does cholesterol has to do with it? Fatty meats, aside from a few exceptions, will screw with omega3/6 ratios. Which was the whole point. If you're on a low carb diet then some beef might be fine, but just about anything else will have a pretty high omega6 count.

2d5221fa80d04a3d8ac6f471f9feae81

(894)

on July 12, 2011
at 01:20 AM

What does cholesterol has to do with it? Fatty meats, aside from a few exceptions, will screw with omega3/6 ratios. Which was the whole point.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on July 11, 2011
at 10:22 PM

Growing up I learned to make toasted butter and peanut butter sandwiches. Man, those were good! Thanks for reminding me of the combo,

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on July 11, 2011
at 05:10 AM

All in all perhaps up to 70% of the fat content of a porterhouse steak will improve the relative levels of LDL and HDL cholesterol, compared with what they would be if bread/potatoes/pasta were consumed. The remaining 30% will raise LDL cholesterol but will also raise HDL cholesterol and will have little if any effect on total cholesterol to HDL ratio. This suggests that eating a porterhouse steak instead of bread or potatoes would actually reduce heart disease risk.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on July 11, 2011
at 05:09 AM

I don't see why fatty meats should be avoided…. To quote from Gary Taubes,  "Consider a porterhouse steak with a quarter inch of fat. 51% of the fat is monounsaturated, of which 90% is oleic acid. Saturated fat constitutes 45% of the total fat, but a third of that is stearic acid. Stearic acid will raise HDL while having no effect on LDL (it becomes metabolized in the body to oleic acid). The remaining 4% is polyunsaturated, which lowers LDL while having no meaningful effect on HDL.

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

(56)

on July 11, 2011
at 03:38 AM

"Can't just add omega 3s , you're going to have to reduce the omega 6s" - that answers my fish oil theory. ha. thanks so much.

2d5221fa80d04a3d8ac6f471f9feae81

(894)

on July 11, 2011
at 03:21 AM

Egg yolks and calf liver are good times for the vitamins as well.

2d5221fa80d04a3d8ac6f471f9feae81

(894)

on July 11, 2011
at 03:19 AM

Atherogenic as well as any number of interactions with the immune system, depending on your HLA. Or maybe even creating a pathway for other particles to get into the blood stream. Generally, anything unintended by your body reaching the blood stream is bad news. Omega ratios are 1:1 to 1:4. Can't just add omega 3s , you're going to have to reduce the omega 6s. This means all kinds of nuts/seeds/fatty meats/oils should be cut or reduced. Basically: lean meats, cooked vegetables, seafood, coconut, starch(sweet potato, yam, potato, cassava/tapioca) and some fruit should make up 90% of your diet.

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

(56)

on July 11, 2011
at 03:11 AM

okay, so just try and keep it even? what about fish oil? does taking fish oil give you room to consume more omega-6's? i know you shouldnt depend souly on supplements, but just in theory I suppose.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on July 11, 2011
at 03:07 AM

I"m sorry you chose to hear my comments as "ugly". I assure you that was not my intent. I would still suggest that if you find the basic tenets of the paleo diet "overhyped" then perhaps it's not for you. Some things about the paleo plan really aren't debatable and eating legumes is one of those things. Kind of one of those take it or leave it things. You seem to feel like it's a silly thing and if that's the case then I stand by my suggestion that paleo may not be the best choice of food plans for you to adhere to.

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

(56)

on July 11, 2011
at 03:01 AM

Do you care to explain further how it damages the blood and so on? I've read that it has been shown to have atherogenic properties. Also, what are the healthy levels or ratios of omegas recommended? I'm trying to learn as much as I can.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 11, 2011
at 02:53 AM

@paleon00b - jokes aside this was my primary point. For those food items that either serve as "entertainment" or a vehicle for addiction, #1 tends to dominate. I always ask myself #2 before consuming the toxin I desire, but at least it is with full awareness of what I'm doing. Good luck!

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

(56)

on July 11, 2011
at 02:51 AM

haha no problem at all, guys.

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

(56)

on July 11, 2011
at 02:50 AM

#2 especially made me think. there def are better substitutes to peanut butter. thanks.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 11, 2011
at 02:47 AM

Poor paleon00b - asks a simple question about peanuts and then has to deal with Meredith's distracting comments. I continue to walk the path of the righteous :-) Ok, now we're done!

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

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on July 11, 2011
at 02:42 AM

No need to get ugly, I'm still LEARNING.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on July 11, 2011
at 02:41 AM

Okay - I'm done. You are right, for the record, my bum is not a reproductive organ....(that's what SHE said!) - no, no, no, I'm done now....really!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 11, 2011
at 02:39 AM

I read that on Mercola's site honestly years ago and used to do it, too! Awesome.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 11, 2011
at 02:37 AM

Now why would you assume that I was talking about you? Hmmmm :-) And I wrote "genital-obsessed". No matter how much Paleo science we wish for, you butt cannot fulfill the function of a reproductive organ! Dare I take this conversation to the next "logical" place...I better quit before this thread gets deleted too.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on July 11, 2011
at 02:27 AM

I am no troller! I just care deeply about my butt! So does my husband!

B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

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on July 11, 2011
at 02:26 AM

I believe that would be 4 grams :) Yes, that's a lot!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 11, 2011
at 01:01 AM

Those are the arguments right there. That's it. If you wanna still eat them, go for it. Oh, there's always aflatoxin, too

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C3edabc6267abec9b5f8178e5d73552c

(725)

on July 11, 2011
at 02:35 AM

What I do when I buy natural peanut (or almond butter) where the oil is on the top:

1) I pour the oil off.
2) Then I wipe off any excess oil from the sides and lid.
3) Then I add melted grass fed butter and stir.
4) Then I keep it in the fridge, so the peanut/almond butter gets super thick because the saturated fats harden in the fridge.

End result, less omega 6, more cla and all the other benefits of butter, better texture, tastes amazing. Don't knock it till you try it.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 11, 2011
at 02:39 AM

I read that on Mercola's site honestly years ago and used to do it, too! Awesome.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on July 11, 2011
at 10:22 PM

Growing up I learned to make toasted butter and peanut butter sandwiches. Man, those were good! Thanks for reminding me of the combo,

Ff6560918e3b3cede8958b070cc07822

(407)

on July 14, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Ummm... That sounds amazing.

4
98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on July 11, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Aside from the argument of lectin content and omega 3-6 ratios....??? Avoiding these two things are pretty much two of the most important basic cornerstones of the paleo diet. As others have pointed out aflatoxins in peanut butter are toxic and carcinogenic. Do you need a food to cause severe vomiting and diarrhea or what before you call a food suboptimal?

Having said that I think a spoonful here and there as a treat is fine if you really love it. Eating it every day would be fine too I suppose but then I think you need to look at whether or not you want to label your eating plan as paleo. I know we have lacto-paleo but I'm not sure the community would support a peanut-paleo version.

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

(56)

on July 11, 2011
at 02:42 AM

No need to get ugly, I'm still LEARNING.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on July 11, 2011
at 03:07 AM

I"m sorry you chose to hear my comments as "ugly". I assure you that was not my intent. I would still suggest that if you find the basic tenets of the paleo diet "overhyped" then perhaps it's not for you. Some things about the paleo plan really aren't debatable and eating legumes is one of those things. Kind of one of those take it or leave it things. You seem to feel like it's a silly thing and if that's the case then I stand by my suggestion that paleo may not be the best choice of food plans for you to adhere to.

50934261cb13f9de8272430d0870ac3f

(25)

on July 27, 2012
at 07:41 PM

I think you sounded ugly. Sorry. I consider myself paleo but I don't bother making my own HFCS free condiments and I do occasionally eat PB. Part of this is because I am a caregiver and work in the homes of elderly people from the depression era and when they were young food was food and you didn't have the leisure of picking and choosing what you "want" to eat. My point is, is that they like me to enjoy meals with them and I try hard to keep it as paleo as I can but I don't consider myself any less paleo because I indulge some times.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on July 28, 2012
at 12:35 AM

Lina I'm also sorry that you choose to hear "ugly" in my words. I am only speaking the truth. ANd did you miss the part where I said it's fine to eat peanut butter every now and then? Honestly! Toughen up! Why do you care what I think???? Don't care what I think of what you eat. If you think paleo means eating peanut butter then have at it. Stick your face in a jar and go be happy. But don't tell anyone who states the FACT that the paleo diet eschews peanut butter as UGLY for heaven's sake. That's just silly.

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D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 11, 2011
at 01:04 AM

I think you have answered your own question.

I view Legumes as an order of magnitude less harmful than (gluten) grains. Having said that, you have to decide if your approach to Paleo is

1) Is there proof this is really bad for me and absent such proof, can I continue to consume?

2) Is this essential from a nutritional point of view and are there no substitutes that are either less harmful and/or actually beneficial.

I think the divisions we see in this community regarding things like legumes, dairy, etc have to do with a bias to #1 vs #2.

Welcome to the community. Watch out for the genital-obsessed individuals trolling around here!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 11, 2011
at 02:41 AM

Okay - I'm done. You are right, for the record, my bum is not a reproductive organ....(that's what SHE said!) - no, no, no, I'm done now....really!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 11, 2011
at 02:27 AM

I am no troller! I just care deeply about my butt! So does my husband!

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

(56)

on July 11, 2011
at 02:50 AM

#2 especially made me think. there def are better substitutes to peanut butter. thanks.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 11, 2011
at 02:53 AM

@paleon00b - jokes aside this was my primary point. For those food items that either serve as "entertainment" or a vehicle for addiction, #1 tends to dominate. I always ask myself #2 before consuming the toxin I desire, but at least it is with full awareness of what I'm doing. Good luck!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 11, 2011
at 02:47 AM

Poor paleon00b - asks a simple question about peanuts and then has to deal with Meredith's distracting comments. I continue to walk the path of the righteous :-) Ok, now we're done!

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

(56)

on July 11, 2011
at 02:51 AM

haha no problem at all, guys.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 11, 2011
at 02:37 AM

Now why would you assume that I was talking about you? Hmmmm :-) And I wrote "genital-obsessed". No matter how much Paleo science we wish for, you butt cannot fulfill the function of a reproductive organ! Dare I take this conversation to the next "logical" place...I better quit before this thread gets deleted too.

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2d5221fa80d04a3d8ac6f471f9feae81

(894)

on July 11, 2011
at 02:51 AM

Peanut lectin goes into your bloodstream and wreaks havoc, while omega6 PUFAs grace you with additional oxidative stress. Great, keep it up with your 'orders of magnitude' and 'feeling your health'. Wait, isn't that how did we got the standard American diet in the first place? Awesome!

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

(56)

on July 11, 2011
at 03:01 AM

Do you care to explain further how it damages the blood and so on? I've read that it has been shown to have atherogenic properties. Also, what are the healthy levels or ratios of omegas recommended? I'm trying to learn as much as I can.

2d5221fa80d04a3d8ac6f471f9feae81

(894)

on July 11, 2011
at 03:21 AM

Egg yolks and calf liver are good times for the vitamins as well.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on July 11, 2011
at 05:09 AM

I don't see why fatty meats should be avoided…. To quote from Gary Taubes,  "Consider a porterhouse steak with a quarter inch of fat. 51% of the fat is monounsaturated, of which 90% is oleic acid. Saturated fat constitutes 45% of the total fat, but a third of that is stearic acid. Stearic acid will raise HDL while having no effect on LDL (it becomes metabolized in the body to oleic acid). The remaining 4% is polyunsaturated, which lowers LDL while having no meaningful effect on HDL.

2d5221fa80d04a3d8ac6f471f9feae81

(894)

on July 12, 2011
at 01:20 AM

What does cholesterol has to do with it? Fatty meats, aside from a few exceptions, will screw with omega3/6 ratios. Which was the whole point.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on July 11, 2011
at 05:10 AM

All in all perhaps up to 70% of the fat content of a porterhouse steak will improve the relative levels of LDL and HDL cholesterol, compared with what they would be if bread/potatoes/pasta were consumed. The remaining 30% will raise LDL cholesterol but will also raise HDL cholesterol and will have little if any effect on total cholesterol to HDL ratio. This suggests that eating a porterhouse steak instead of bread or potatoes would actually reduce heart disease risk.

2d5221fa80d04a3d8ac6f471f9feae81

(894)

on July 11, 2011
at 03:19 AM

Atherogenic as well as any number of interactions with the immune system, depending on your HLA. Or maybe even creating a pathway for other particles to get into the blood stream. Generally, anything unintended by your body reaching the blood stream is bad news. Omega ratios are 1:1 to 1:4. Can't just add omega 3s , you're going to have to reduce the omega 6s. This means all kinds of nuts/seeds/fatty meats/oils should be cut or reduced. Basically: lean meats, cooked vegetables, seafood, coconut, starch(sweet potato, yam, potato, cassava/tapioca) and some fruit should make up 90% of your diet.

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

(56)

on July 11, 2011
at 03:38 AM

"Can't just add omega 3s , you're going to have to reduce the omega 6s" - that answers my fish oil theory. ha. thanks so much.

2d5221fa80d04a3d8ac6f471f9feae81

(894)

on July 12, 2011
at 01:22 AM

What does cholesterol has to do with it? Fatty meats, aside from a few exceptions, will screw with omega3/6 ratios. Which was the whole point. If you're on a low carb diet then some beef might be fine, but just about anything else will have a pretty high omega6 count.

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43f469552cfd3be73fc88a9821b14986

on August 29, 2012
at 06:11 PM

Regarding aflatoxins:

A few years ago, Consumers Union looked into the question of aflatoxins in peanut butter and found that the amounts detectable varied from brand to brand. The lowest amounts were found in the big supermarket brands such as Peter Pan, Jif and Skippy. The highest levels were found in peanut butter ground fresh in health food stores.>

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA115491

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 29, 2012
at 06:25 PM

That's scary and incredibly interesting.

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D117467bf8e8472464ece2b81509606c

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on October 07, 2011
at 05:21 AM

This is purely anecdotal but peanut butter puffs me up like a balloon. From what I understand from my very limited research thus far, a lot of omega-6's = holy inflammation.

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D6a46735a1a9eaaee0e2bd66fcbb2a94

on July 11, 2011
at 03:08 AM

Rob wolf says that the ratio should be as close to 1:1 as possible. Too much 6 is no good.

Ef8662e22324e1ed68af858b414a9983

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on July 11, 2011
at 03:11 AM

okay, so just try and keep it even? what about fish oil? does taking fish oil give you room to consume more omega-6's? i know you shouldnt depend souly on supplements, but just in theory I suppose.

9ac8a7b68cf079b22de42b703e466e64

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on October 07, 2011
at 06:00 AM

no it's not just about keeping it even. any PUFA (omega 3 and omega 6) is inflammatory when consumed in excess, usually 3-4% of your caloric intake. so just eating peanut butter and taking massive doses to "balance" things out won't help. the best advice is the minimize omega 6 through dietary sources, that is avoid it in the first place. have a tbsp peanut butter once a week or something if your really wanting some.

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34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on July 11, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Peanuts contain 4,000 milligrams of omega-6 in each 28 gram, one ounce serving of peanuts. This is all I needed to hear to stop eating peanuts, peanut butter, or using peanut oil. That is a shit ton of omega 6.

B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

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on July 11, 2011
at 02:26 AM

I believe that would be 4 grams :) Yes, that's a lot!

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B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

on July 11, 2011
at 01:16 AM

The way I look at it is the dose makes the poison. Am I eating enough peanuts to harm my health? I doubt it. The biggest poison by far for me has been processed flour and sugar and my health is improving by leaps and bounds since I cut those out. I don't think there would be that same huge increase in health if I cut out peanuts so I don't.

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68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on November 14, 2012
at 10:19 PM

If it doesn't irritate your digestion and you're getting plenty of Omega 3, I don't think Organic peanut butter with the pure peanut oil drained is that bad. A lot of the carbohydrate is fiber and from a quality source, I think there are far worse things.

With that said, you may notice other issues in digestion, skin irritation, etc...if this is the case, I'd avoid it. I'll throw down peanut butter every once in a while. It's a treat.

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