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Has anyone on Paleohacks performed a DIY fecal transplant ?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 01, 2011 at 9:03 AM

I've been lurking on HealingWell and it seems some people have embraced the DIY idea quite firmly. I'm wondering has anyone on Paleo Hacks performed this procedure ? Or someone in "paleo" circles. Pfw told me about one case on PaNu (sadly if didn't work for her) but besides that I came up blank.

We already discussed this matter in a similar way on PH but it's been a while and while that thread was aimed more theoretically, this is (hopefully) hopefully her DIY sister.

The reason I became reinterested in this topic was a paper I found the other day. The author, in more or less details, describes the DIY protocol.

Success of Self-Administered Home Fecal Transplantation for Chronic Clostridium difficile Infection Michael S. Silverman, Ian Davis, Dylan R. Pillai

Teaser: METHODS: We sought to investigate whether self- or family-administered fecal transplantation by low volume enema could beused to de???nitively treat refractory CDI.

RESULTS: We report case series (n=7) where 100% clinical success was achieved intreating these individuals with up to 14 months of follow-up

CONCLUSIONS: Fecal transplantation by low volumeenema is an effective and safe option for patients withchronic relapsing CDI, refractory to other therapies.

Abstract

Full paper (Mediafire)

So, poo experimentators on PH speak and share !

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 19, 2012
at 07:21 PM

How would a person, in a doctor's office, be able to test fecal matter for bacteria that "turn celiac genes on, cause imbalances in hormonal secretions, open up the intestinal wall and cause leaky gut"? If you have a healthy trusted source and you do a Parasitology test why couldn't you save some money and do it at home?

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 19, 2012
at 07:16 PM

Melissa - It is your opinion that it is "see a doctor territory" but in fact it doesn't meet the criteria for that stated in the PaleoHacks Facts. We aren't talking about anything acutely life threatening. We are sharing information about an alternative to the main stream medical community. On many levels I think this subject is closely related to Paleo and highly appropriate for this format. I hope you will consider re-opening.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on April 04, 2011
at 06:55 AM

For real. Fecal transplant is the future. No joke.

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on April 02, 2011
at 03:14 AM

was this for real or some Aprilś fool thing?

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on April 02, 2011
at 12:57 AM

Obviously an April Fools!!!

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on April 01, 2011
at 03:23 PM

Might want to check how many different species live in the gut and how many species can you obtain with pre/probiotics, how many survive the stomach acid, etc.

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on April 01, 2011
at 03:06 PM

this is in "see a doctor territory"

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on April 01, 2011
at 12:53 PM

Carly, there are "instructions" in the full paper. I agree Stephen that there is a social stigma but living with UC or even IBS can stigmatize one a lot more, in my opinion.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on April 01, 2011
at 12:50 PM

My bad as for the date, didn't think. I don't think "paleo" can repopulate gut flora which was wiped out by, for instance, antibiotics with such "power" in within such timeframe as fecal transplant might.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on April 01, 2011
at 12:49 PM

Carly, there are "instructions" in the full paper. I agree Stephen that there is a social stigma but living with UC or even IBS can stigmatize one a lot, more in my opinion.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on April 01, 2011
at 12:44 PM

The paper mentiones different kind of tests that were made before the actual transplant. Just anectodal thought, but I haven't heard of anyone who got worse after a transplant.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2389)

on April 01, 2011
at 12:39 PM

The paper mentiones different kind of tests that were made before the actual transplant.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on April 01, 2011
at 12:36 PM

My bad as for the date. I don't think "paleo" can repopulate gut flora which was wiped out by, for instance, antibiotics. Maybe in years yes but otherwise, ...

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on April 01, 2011
at 12:26 PM

I wonder what the CPT codes are? rVU's should be decent for a shitty job

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on April 01, 2011
at 11:20 AM

On reflection, I agree. However, my interest in things Paleo, which is fairly wide ranging, is limited to eating healthily, by which means alone the problems to which Ikco refers should be overcome, without the need for 'suppositories'

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on April 01, 2011
at 11:06 AM

I believe this right here, completely sums up why I wouldnt dare try something like this DIY.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on April 01, 2011
at 11:06 AM

despite that, i believe its a legitimate question.

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on April 01, 2011
at 09:46 AM

i'm with stephen. actually fascinated by the science but horrified by the mechanism. but from the things i've read on it, it shows promise for some gut issues.

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on April 01, 2011
at 09:45 AM

How does one perform DIY fecal transplant exactly then? (Ew) ;D

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on April 01, 2011
at 09:39 AM

Even understanding the mechanic and benefits, the social stigma(and what it IS) has me Curious yet Disgusted at the same time.

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on April 01, 2011
at 10:14 AM

i would absolutely NOT do this diy unless you are also able to check their feces for other things you might be getting. different types of bacteria are able to turn celiac genes on, cause imbalances in hormonal secretions, open up the intestinal wall and cause leaky gut, etc. Research is showing more and more that gut flora plays much more of a role than we can possibly comprehend right now. I would NOT do this myself because the person you "inherit" bugs from might have "bugs" that are much worse for you than what you have now... (though they work well for your friend, they wont necessarily work for you)

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on April 01, 2011
at 12:44 PM

The paper mentiones different kind of tests that were made before the actual transplant. Just anectodal thought, but I haven't heard of anyone who got worse after a transplant.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2389)

on April 01, 2011
at 12:39 PM

The paper mentiones different kind of tests that were made before the actual transplant.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 01, 2011
at 11:06 AM

I believe this right here, completely sums up why I wouldnt dare try something like this DIY.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 19, 2012
at 07:21 PM

How would a person, in a doctor's office, be able to test fecal matter for bacteria that "turn celiac genes on, cause imbalances in hormonal secretions, open up the intestinal wall and cause leaky gut"? If you have a healthy trusted source and you do a Parasitology test why couldn't you save some money and do it at home?

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on April 01, 2011
at 01:21 PM

I'd really rather just try to do my best to repopulate my gut flora by eating fermented foods; yogurt, kefir, sauerkraut, and even those little packets of live active cultures (FloraStore comes to mind).

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2389)

on April 01, 2011
at 03:23 PM

Might want to check how many different species live in the gut and how many species can you obtain with pre/probiotics, how many survive the stomach acid, etc.

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2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on April 01, 2011
at 10:45 AM

It's April 1st !

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 01, 2011
at 11:06 AM

despite that, i believe its a legitimate question.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2389)

on April 01, 2011
at 12:36 PM

My bad as for the date. I don't think "paleo" can repopulate gut flora which was wiped out by, for instance, antibiotics. Maybe in years yes but otherwise, ...

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 01, 2011
at 11:20 AM

On reflection, I agree. However, my interest in things Paleo, which is fairly wide ranging, is limited to eating healthily, by which means alone the problems to which Ikco refers should be overcome, without the need for 'suppositories'

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2389)

on April 01, 2011
at 12:50 PM

My bad as for the date, didn't think. I don't think "paleo" can repopulate gut flora which was wiped out by, for instance, antibiotics with such "power" in within such timeframe as fecal transplant might.

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46cbf2321fb5d25c8c33111603902961

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on April 01, 2011
at 09:47 AM

Uh, no. Never have had a need.

There was an article about this on freakanomics a few days ago, but as for DIY...No.

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