I have read several of the threads on CLO and HVBO, but mostly they were just facts and opinions of whether or not it's good to take or not. I'm looking for real testimonies of people who take one of them or both of them, or people who have ever tried either.
What brand did you take? Was it naturally fermented or fortified with vitamins?
What flavors? Anybody try the butter pecan flavor of the butter oil?
And most importantly, what is your personal real life testimony of what (if anything) taking either of these supplements has done for your health? If these are supposed to be such great sources of vitamins and nutrients, then let's hear from the people who are actually taking it regularly or have taken it in the past?
Any negative reactions and/or negative stories? Any glaringly positive reactions and/or stories?
How about the idea of taking several spoons of grass fed ghee in place of the expensive butter oil?
We've all read loads and loads of essays and write-ups about both, but these are some of the most expensive supplements out there so let's hear the real deal folks.
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I started taking it in December hoping to become pregnant (not from the CLO/HVBO obviously), then took a last-minute job in Kyrgyzstan. Took my Green Pastures Blue Ice Royal (Cinnamon Tingle as pictured) with me. I spent three weeks in transit to my final destination, about 30 hours in planes, quite stressful in the adjustment, and now live with four other people and work around a bunch more. They've been sick off and on all winter. I haven't been.
I would usually get one or two nasty colds a winter (neti pot has kept me from sinus infections for the last two years), to say nothing of air travel, but no colds so far this winter. I don't take it every day because I'm trying to make it last for three months, but I credit the 'sacred blend' for my unusually robust health.
I take it at night so I don't get cinnamon-y/cod-liver-y burps, and I keep it at room temperature so it slides down the gullet more easily (with lots of water to mitigate taste and 'tingling' which I'd never noticed until the one night I tried it without water). It's a gnarly little blob if it's hard from the fridge.
If you do the math and you can handle it, the gel (blend) is about 4x cheaper than the capsules.
I am on my second bottle of green pastures fclo/bo blend and I take 8 capsules a day. My mood is much improved. I think it has really helped with my depression. And my skin is much less oily. My husband has even noticed and my makeup lasts all day now. I love it and if I had to choose between fclo/bo or groceries, the fclo would win.
Well, this may be a little TMI, but you DID ask... I got my first natural period in several years about two weeks after I switched from just fermented cod liver oil to the fermented cod liver oil/butter oil blend (Green Pastures, Blue Ice). Maybe it was a coincidence, or maybe my new high fat diet finally caught up and started to make positive changes in me, but I suspect that the FCLO/BO blend had something to do with it. They're supposed to be synergistic. This was very recent, so it may have been a one off incident- we'll find out in the next few months if this is the new normal, or a once and done thing.
I prefer taking the pills even though they're a little more expensive. I'm trying to finish off the gel blend right now- it doesn't taste bad, kind of like fish cooked in butter, but the texture is horrible. I have a sensitive gag reflex though, so YMMV.
I recently read that states or areas which have large amounts of granite tend to produce food items that are much lower in iodine than other areas. Iodine also gets depleted quickly( iodized table salt loses it's iodine after being exposed to air for a few weeks) Modern farming in poor soils almost ensures that iodine is a difficult nutrient to receive adequate levels of. That being said, I believe that we need several things in our diet which we don't normally think to consume: 1.)vitamin k2 from butter oil, or grass-fed meat, or cheese, or ghee.) It's the fats and the k2 that we need. I personally think HVBO is a waste of money. I like to get my healthy fats from grass- fed meat anyway, because I don't believe we're meant to eat dairy. 2.)Organ meats. I supplement for these using Standard Process products. I just can't eat them. 3.) Fish and sea vegetables. The main players here are omega 3s and iodine. The Japanese are among the healthiest people in the world ( those who stick to traditional diets) and they consume nearly 15 times the amount of iodine as typical Americans do. Iodine has a tremendous impact on our hormones, and hormones control a big part of our immune system. Japanese women rarely have breast or other cancers, and they have no problems with weight despite eating copious amounts of white rice (eek!) As for omega 3s- we need lots of them, and we need less omega 6s, and the ratio in America is strongly backwards and dangerous. Long story short: omega 3 (nuts, seeds, some veggies and fish): anti- inflammatory. Omega 6 (grain, grain-fed meats, grain-fed dairy, grain-based syrups, food additives, etc) : inflammatory. 4.) Vegetables. Raw ones, cooked ones, green ones, red ones, vegetables on top of vegetables, vegetables mixed with vegetables. You get the idea. Weston Price may say that PH doesn't matter, (veggies promote alkalinity) but boy does it. I won't get into it all, but check out the Alkalize for health website. Very eye opening. Keep in mind that Weston Price did not truly know the health or longevity of the people he studied- just their appearance of health. His work is truly spectacular, but should be taken with a grain of salt. With all of that being said- no FCLO or HVBO is going to miraculously cure anyone of any ailment unless the ailment is caused by a nutritional deficiency that is corrected by those products. I believe we need all four of the things I listed above(and more I'm sure)- and that FCLO and Grass-fed fats are part of that. BUT, a truly Paleo diet should not focus on elimination nearly as much as it does full inclusion. Find out all of the nutrients your body needs and get them all into your diet. Even people with good diets are usually lacking something. FCLO- vitamins A&D and omega 3. Organ meats-B vitamins. Fruits and veggies: nearly every other vitamin and mineral ( if the soil is good) Grass-fed meats: Iron, vitamin k2. True "paleo soil" would have provided us with excellent sources of magnesium, calcium, and iodine. Modern soil doesn't. Do your research, consider supplementing. Look into Standard Process products. You will have vibrant health when you finish putting all of the pieces of your nutrient puzzle together. Also research iodine, bromine, chlorine, and fluorine. You won't like what you read. I mention this again, because I believe iodine is what 90 percent of Americans are missing- even the health conscious ones. Also google iodine deficiency patch test. You can test for a deficiency on your own. To your good health!
Almost done with my second bottle of Green Pastures Blue Ice Royal Butter Oil/Fermented Cod liver oil blend capsules. (Four more to go in my refrigerator!) Results=nothing noticeable.
So I had problems with my teeth. I mean pain that was HORRIBLE. From eating too much chocolate I think and skipping brushing my teeth at night. Well, now I brush like 3 or 4 times a day. But this wasn't before this pain I had on the side I chew. Even worse my wisdom and two teeth in from of that one started chipping. Literally, I would eat and find a piece of tooth in my mouth. My teeth have always been sensitive. I was told I wore down my teeth from grinding them when I slept. This last visit was a LONG time ago. I haven't been since. I still haven't been. I look for an alternative and found this guy online who talked about ways to heal teeth naturally. This was my goal because I DO NOT want to go to a dentist. Well, the pain got so bad I felt the pain down my neck. I had a lump under my jawbone and a blister on the gums next to one of my rotting teeth. Yeah, it was bad and still I didn't go to the dentist. I know they would have to pull my teeth out. So from reading what this guy had to say he recommend Green Pasture or a GOOD fermented cod liver oil, and butter oil if you can afford it. Also a good form of calcium/mineral blend called MCHC I started taking. After days of freaking out and barely being able to get out of bed, my teeth started feeling better. I mean I swear at times I felt like my teeth would start falling out. That's how sensitive they felt. No exaggerating, it was horrible and scary for me. But I didn't want my teeth to be pulled out. I know I was risking alot, like my health. I'm sure I had an absinthe/tooth infection. Maybe stupid. But whatever, right now, after about 3 months on my regime, my teeth are fine, that blister on my gums is gone, and that lump on my jaw is gone. My teeth, I swear are stronger than they have ever felt, I mean as long as I can remember. I'm eating cold stuff and I feel no pain or sensitivity. Same with hot stuff. I'm eating tough stuff, like steak or hard vegetable and on occasion I can eat candy (personal choice) and my teeth are amazing. Now I still have a piece of two teeth missing and I do get food caught sometimes, but that the only thing affecting these days which is nothing compared to where I was three months ago. So yes this stuff works. I know you don't know me, but I swear by it. Right now I have only used Green Pasture's Cod Liver and Butter Oil so I have nothing to compare it to. And I also take MRM's Bone Maximizer III (Active MCHC) as my good form of calcium/mineral supplement. I just convinced my mom to try it who has horrible arthritis. We'll see how this goes.
I was unsure about what I read about because online you never know what's true on what you read. It's always like those "I know someone who knows someone" type of stories. But I can tell you first-hand that my new regime: Green Pasture Cod Liver Oil/Butter Oil, MRM's Bone Maximizer III, and Tom's of Maine toothpaste and TheraBreath (these were some other products for my specific issues with my bad teeth) are for life for me.
These are not plugs by the way. Good luck with everything.
I'm 36 years old and last year when I was 35 my husband and I were trying to conceive. we tried for 6 months until I went to a dr. who recommended I up my vit D3 intake to 10K IU after he took my vitals. I forgot the exact measurement of my Vit D at the time but it was something like 30. I also at the same time visited with an acupuncturist and she recommended Green Pastures FCLO/HVBO so I took about 8 capsules in the morning, with my 10K IU's of Vit D and a small cup of raw milk. I also began eating two eggs with the yolk in tact and two bacons. This was my morning routine for all of Jan, Feb and in March we got pregnant. Unfortunately we lost that pregnancy at the 10 weeks gestation. I kept with my diet all through June but then stopped the FCLO/HVBO and raw milk simply b.c. it was a little challenging to get at the time. I then went gluten free and started with FCLO/HVBO again sometime in August 2012 and we got pregnant in Sept. a total of 4 months after my miscarriage early that year. This time the baby stayed and we delivered a very alert, wide eye and strong baby boy this past June. My son hasn't had any developmental problems physically, he's breastfeeding nicely and is already starting to crawl at 5.5 months. I started to give him 1/4 tsp of just FCLO liquid form just once a week to gradually introduce him to it. I would say that since I've taken and stopped and retaken FCLO/HVBO i can confidently say that it definetly keeps you from getting ill in any way, it helps boost libbido fast. I didn't have issues with this department ever but I did notice I was getting a little tired well these capsules take that away. I think breastfeeding also messes with your hormones in that it makes you a little uninterested. The FCLO/HVBO help reverse that fast. I didn't get sick at all during my pregnancy eventhough my husband who takes these capsules less frequently than myself got sick 2x's during my pregnancy when I didn't. I'm ordering more today to get him started on it more regularly now that i'm convinced that it's helped a lot. I also do not see any issues with my son breastfeeding while I'm consuming this dairy or any other type of dairy like Kefir. I just started on Kefir about two months ago as a way to get my dairy while not effecting my son's breastfeeding experience. I hope this is helpful to some.
I was struggling getting pregnant and once I upped my vit D3 to 10K IU's a day and also integrated FCLO/HVBO we got pregnant in about 3 months I also noticed our libbido go up and other skin issues disappear. My mentrual cycle changed from 31/32 days to 30/29 days on average.
If you have been eating nuts and using coconut oil you need to know that these are high in omega 6 which competes with omega 3. Make sure you eat more omega 3 to keep it balanced. I used to have great cholesterol. Now my triglycerides are 199 (note:omega 3 helps lower this)and my HDL 47 (omega 3 helps higher this and you want it to be 60 ideally and this is the good one)and my LDL 53(note: LDL is the bad one). So I need to consume more omega 3. Which is in fish. I am a believer of fermented stuff so I am giving it a try. I will retest in Feb. 2013.
I just started it. I went on Paleo about 9 months ago. I used to have beautiful cholesterol. But now my HDL is lower than my LDL and I have 199 level of triglycerides. So be careful if you use almonds and nuts a lot. The omega 6 is high in nuts.The coconut oil I used probably did not help either. What you need is omega 3's. So I decided I needed a supplement. I do eat fish but apparently not enough.I will retest in February.
I just started taking BO/FCLO and I have had no side effects,KimP should try drinking kefir for the GERD. We have been drinking kefir for 3 months now and the GERD has gone away,even in my 15 year old that was born with it.
I had really high hopes for this. I did. I even began to see my skin look fantastic with this. Too bad no one told me about the risk of heartburn. In fact I wrote an email to the company saying how bad it had gotten and what the heck was going on, and Dave Wetzel himself told me he'd "never heard of" this happening, like I was making things up.
I guess the (mild) silver lining in all this was it helped me get diagnosed with GERD. Too bad my insides are so damaged at this time that I can't even put food in my body right now. Glad to know the higher-ups of this company are so ignorant they couldn't even tell me stop taking their product and see my doctor. I did see my doctor, but a wee bit too late.
regarding tooth issues...also try Standard Process brand Bio-dent. These products should be purchased by a licensed practitioner who trained in how to use them, but the Bio-dent is really amazing stuff.
I tested a bottle of this, three capsules morning and night. I had a massive increase in sex drive - as in, I couldn't sleep through the night because erections kept waking me up/ couldn't concentrate at work because I felt insanely horny. I'm 37 years old - two weeks on this stuff and I was more distracted than when I was sixteen. Suggest you start out at a lower dose until you see how it affects you.
I've bought both the pills and the whole liquids of Skate Liver, Cod Liver, and Butter oils. My reaction to the fish oils was always the same. A crazy sense of "urgent" fatigue and the need to lay down fairly quickly. It felt the same way as if you have a fever, but without the temperature.... One time I even had a dream that I couldn't get up! It often subsides after a few hours with lingering effects for a good 24 hours.
I thought this couldn't be right.... So I checked it again on another day. Same reaction. I then ditched the oil and tried the pills months later....milder reaction but bad heartburn and burps. (I digest fat just fine)...
So I thought I might try other fish oils to see if this still happened. It did not. Your standard fare supermarket cod liver oils or even the higher end specialty brands didn't affect me in the same way at all.
For me at least, I find that the manufactured industrial food product known as FCLO has too many side effects, isn't confirmed safe (oxidation concerns), and is way too expensive to justify eating it. Especially when 2 or 3 pounds of fresh wild caught Alaskan Salmon gives you many more benefits (protein, minerals, antioxidants) for a lot less money..
As far as the HVBO oil goes...No clue. Felt the same taking it as I did not taking it. (teaspoon per day)
Ok... I know this is tmi but I'm concerned! I've been taking the green pasture butter oil/fermented cod liver oil for over 2 months. I've been feeling great, had almost no pms this last month, but, my vaginal odor has changed! Is this normal?
I'm a 29 year old woman and have had boats of depression, and chronic acne since I was 13 years old. During the years 2000-2007 I also did three 7-month rounds of Accutane and anyone who is familiar with the drug knows it comes with a list of side-effects so long it is literally a book. Anyway, since then I have noticed joint pain in my knees and for the first time six months ago I noticed fine lines in my forehead. I was a vegetarian since age 11, and became a pescetarian 5 years ago but still eat mostly an organic vegetable based diet, with quinoa and the like and take the New Chapter fermented Every woman multi-vitamin twice a day. Last month, I was having a roller-coaster ride emotionally for no apparent reason for three weeks straight (it was Oct. in NYC so it may be seasonal??) when I decided to try the Green Pasture FCLO/BO vitamins. I thought I was too young to have fine lines and joint pain but was mostly concerned about my depression so the first week I took 2 pills at a time/3 X per day. My skin got softer, my fine lines got softer, skin cleared up a little bit, nails/hair are shiny but I'm most excited my joint pain went away AND my depression is like night and day. I went down to 4 pills a day the second and third weeks and now I feel balanced and good. It is as simple as that. Another happy side-effect is my period is due any day now and I have no cramping or truly catastrophic mood swings (I think I may have had undiagnosed PMDD for years) but this month I've had nothing out of the ordinary at all except of course by how good I feel - happy, content, social, and have a hopeful outlook. I am just about to order my second bottle and will stay on my 4 pills a day dose until the dark days of winter end and then try 2 pills a day to maintain during the spring and summer. Oh, I have also had people tell me I look more "compact", which I can only describe as feeling less inflamed. I haven't lost dramatic amounts of weight but my skinny jeans are loose. :)
Ive been using both for about a month or so (grass fed butter oil and biting open cod liver oil capsules). while I did notice butter oil is pretty good for speeding up cold sore recovery -like a week for a bottom lip with 3 cold sores. As for healing teeth, I started taking both to hopefully heal a cavity. I can sleep now cos tooth aches aren't that bad but Im not sure how much of that was the butter oil, the same tooth is still really sensitive to cold temperatures... If anyone has any tips for me, would love to hear them. cheers not really into dentists a whole lot. amalgam pushing silly people
Hi, in 2007 we had to make changes to our diet. At the time I believe my husband was the THE "picture" of health! at 36 he was robust, fit, lean, sunny disposition etc, amazing endurance. Plays hoop once a week outside, is very active, skis, hunts, fish. you get the picture. Me, also in good health, not as aerobic as DH, but always taking long walks and being active, hunt, fish, ski, hike the dog.
Then in 2007 I realized our "good health" was not based in fact! I read Weston Price book and discovered that if we were getting sick we were not robust!! That year My husband had to go on antibiotics twice and was sick 3 times. I got sick 3 times and had to take cipro antibiotics that same year. Prior to that we would get sick AT LEAST once a year and need antibiotics every few years.
So in 2007 we switched to a WAPF type diet (hi fat, fermented dairy and veggies, grass fed dairy meat and eats, no more processed foods) and began FCLO and HVBO together. BUT ALSO at the same time, we started eating an equivalant of 4 ounce of raw freeze dried mixed organ meats in the form of capsules from Dr.Ron's ultrapure here http://www.drrons.com/organ-delight-traditional-superfood.htm (Organ Delight) Since I seem bot inapable at this point in our diet evolution to consume 4-6 ounces of a wide variety of organ meat every week, So I supplement with The Organ Delight so we do it this way based on the philosohoy that that "Like supports like".
NEITHER OF US HAS BEEN SICK OR HAD ALLERGIES SINCE 2007! We live in a harsh cold climate where EVERYONE seems to be sick ALL THE TIME!! NOT US!!! We no longer believe the myth that it is normal to get sick once a year - LIES LIES LIES!!! Getting sick is NOT NORMAL!!
Last year I started taking 5mg of iodine/iodide comlex also from Dr Ron for thyroid support. If VIBRANT health at 47 - perfect hair, teeth and skin, no premenapausal symptoms, full of energy and enthusisiam despite the bleak outlook for the world??! well, that says it all!!! Oh, and DH at 39 can outrun, out play, and out manuveure the kids 1/2 his age on the basketball court.
We started a chapter of WAPF in our community so we can help others find their way back to the vibrant health of our ancestors!
I have had great results from cod liver oil, i take nordic naturals. it is lower in vitamins but i'm not too worried about it and my kids like the taste. when i don't take it for a while i get keratosis pilaris and acne, both of which i've had most of my life. i haven't taken the plunge to fermented yet.
I just placed an order for Green Pastures Coconut Ghee and Butter Oil/FCLO blend about 30 seconds ago. I have been going back and forth on the products for a while, but finally decided to give them a go. Curious about the answers people will give now.