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# How many fruit servings?

Commented on June 15, 2014
Created June 12, 2014 at 3:25 AM

I've been doing paleo for about 7-8 months now, and somehow I am finding it hard to get in calories. I am female, 5'8'', around 140 lbs, and have gotten fairly lean, but am looking to lose the last bit of belly fat. I work out 5-6 days a week, and have a physical outdoors job, and lately haven't been packing enough to eat. I eat roughly 1600-1800 calories a day, and eating much more makes me feel stuffed because I consume so many vegetables, so I have started eating more fruit for calories. But how many servings should I have if I'm trying to cut couple pounds of belly fat?

(720)

on June 15, 2014
at 06:23 PM

That's your take on it... and if the only change is "less fruit", you are correct. But if the changes are "less fruit" but "more nuts"..... now we could same numebr of calories but "less sugar, more fat". That was my situation. I believe, in most situations, there are poorly measured & confounding variables.

Of course the first law of thermo applies but imo, different macro ratios shift the body's "operating point". That's what I think I observed in me.

I think there's more to this whole thing than the "partial differential" of bodyfat to calories. Have you looked at Attia results?

(41767)

on June 15, 2014
at 01:23 PM

Because cutting fruit is essentially the same as cutting calories.

(720)

on June 15, 2014
at 05:03 AM

I don't know if cutting fruit is necessary or unnecessary for fat loss but cutting fruit worked for me, n=1.

Tim Ferriss' & Attia's data give me the same impression.

Short of a long drawn out properly designed & executed experiment to definitely confirm the results, I'll just continue to recommend what appears to have worked for these three guys.

(41767)

on June 14, 2014
at 07:10 PM

Correct, and cutting fruit is not necessary for weight loss, right?

(720)

on June 14, 2014
at 05:56 PM

Agreed... perhaps we'd need % data?

But will you agree that "Plenty of shredded people eat fruit" proves nothing?

(41767)

on June 14, 2014
at 04:08 PM

So what happens to dietary fat then? Ask the next question. There are in fact other mechanisms of energy storage.

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on June 14, 2014
at 02:07 PM

"Dietary fat doesn't need to be converted and is much easier to store as fat than carbohydrate."

if the blood sugar levels are low, you are not going to store the fat you eat. the problem about carbos is that it rises the insuline amount towards a fat storage. so, again: eating fat doesn't makes you fat, unless you eat high carbo amounts.

(41767)

on June 14, 2014
at 12:34 PM

That would be true because there are more fat people than shredded people.

(720)

on June 14, 2014
at 06:58 AM

I'll bet there are more fat people gobbling up fruit than shredded folks eating fruit..... <<< does that hold any more water than....

"Plenty of shredded people eat fruit."

(41767)

on June 14, 2014
at 03:10 AM

There's no argument against CICO out there. CDone asked you to produce one study that invalidates CICO, you didn't produce. Never mind it would take sizable number to make us even begin to want to question the consensus. Who are you reading that makes you question CICO?

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on June 14, 2014
at 01:39 AM

so I think you need to read more about it and probably begin to distrust some tendencious researches

(41767)

on June 14, 2014
at 01:33 AM

Plenty of shredded people eat fruit.

(41767)

on June 14, 2014
at 01:32 AM

Every weight loss study corroborates the CICO model. How is that bad science?

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on June 14, 2014
at 01:23 AM

the problem is not using science, is using bad science. and the calories theory is really really bad

(41767)

on June 12, 2014
at 07:16 PM

How the heck is glycemic index paleo?

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on June 12, 2014
at 04:36 PM

no, it's not about calories, it's about GI. fruits and potatoes are the "paleo" foods that rise the glycemic index. so who wants to lose fat quickly should try cutting this guys.

(10557)

on June 12, 2014
at 01:18 PM

I know you can't spot reduce with diet. I hold more hope for targeted exercise. Long distance runners lean out all over.

(41767)

on June 12, 2014
at 12:21 PM

Paleo isn't magic, cutting fruit and potatoes amounts to cutting calories.

(41767)

on June 12, 2014
at 12:19 PM

You can't target spot reduce.

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on June 14, 2014
at 01:54 PM

Eat as much fruit as you want. If it gives you blood sugar issues or terrible digestive problems then go easy on it. Fruit is not magically going to make you fat. Some people here, not all, are afraid of fruit because it converts to fat, but they have no problem pouring fat and oils on everything. Dietary fat doesn't need to be converted and is much easier to store as fat than carbohydrate.

Note, I am not advocating you go crazy on fruit. Just don't worry about, I think it's pretty hard to eat enough fruit to make any significant difference in weight regulation.

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on June 14, 2014
at 02:07 PM

"Dietary fat doesn't need to be converted and is much easier to store as fat than carbohydrate."

if the blood sugar levels are low, you are not going to store the fat you eat. the problem about carbos is that it rises the insuline amount towards a fat storage. so, again: eating fat doesn't makes you fat, unless you eat high carbo amounts.

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on June 14, 2014
at 03:13 AM

Look into the FODMAP theory to see which salad things have the most bloat. Maybe you don't need to lose weight, just watch which salad items you're eating. If you're eating huge salads, this can be a problem all by itself.

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on June 12, 2014
at 04:00 PM

When trying to lose weight just avoid all fruit. The general paleo principles are more of a framework for a healthy lifestyle than a prescription to get shredded...

(41767)

on June 14, 2014
at 01:33 AM

Plenty of shredded people eat fruit.

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(10557)

on June 12, 2014
at 11:00 AM

Exercise targeting belly fat, maybe planks, maybe long distance running. Eat fruit for hunger that results from that. Earn the fruit.

(10557)

on June 12, 2014
at 01:18 PM

I know you can't spot reduce with diet. I hold more hope for targeted exercise. Long distance runners lean out all over.

(41767)

on June 12, 2014
at 12:19 PM

You can't target spot reduce.

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on June 12, 2014
at 08:59 AM

First of all: just STOP thinking about calories. If you want to lose fat, just follow the basics principles of the paleodiet and STOP eating fruits and potatoes until get rid of this belly fat. Doesn't matter how much calories you are eating but WHAT you are eating.

(41767)

on June 12, 2014
at 12:21 PM

Paleo isn't magic, cutting fruit and potatoes amounts to cutting calories.

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(995)

on June 12, 2014
at 07:07 AM

1600-1800 daily calories on top of 5-6 days of exercising per week, combined with a physical outdoors job seems pretty low. If I run that through a calculator, 1700 calories is about what you would be looking like with zero exercise and a desk job, with 6 days of exercise and an active lifestyle bumping you up around 2430 calories needed to maintain.

An extra 400-600 fruit calories from olives / avocados / coconut, perhaps. I don't particularly see eating more fruit of the fructose / sugar-based variety as a better strategy to getting more calories in than eating veg / meat / nuts -- A strawberry is around 4 calories, where you can fit 30 of them onto one tablespoon of fat drizzled over veg (or 180 of them if you do two salads with 3 tablespoons each.)

Increasing your caloric intake and losing body fat seems like a bit of a contradiction. Maybe some targeted core strengthening exercises with a weighted vest would help to lean out the belly area.