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No eggs, no dairy, no seeds, no nightshades?

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Created October 14, 2010 at 1:37 AM

I have an autoimmune illness, and Robb Wolf recommended no eggs, no dairy, no seeds, no nightshades. My issue now is that I'm just eating meat and broccoli. Any ideas on quick meals? I'm wondering how other people may be implementing this. Thanks!

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

im pretty much spot on with Olga and GGPrimal here. I eat no dairy, no seeds or nuts, and no nightshades. I still have no problem with regular eating, and even occasional restaurant meals. Essentially big chunk and meat with fat, over some bed of some vegetable. With all the different fats for dressings and flavor im never at a loss. Maybe im just not that picky, though.

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at 10:49 AM

+1 for turning something challenging into something positive!

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on June 06, 2012
at 03:11 AM

also, chorizoes have paprika, a nightshade spice.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:23 AM

Be careful with coconut, it makes many people with inflammatory arthritis... flare up, including me.

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at 02:19 AM

May I ask, why did you find fruit to be a disaster? Thanks, Arthur

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on May 09, 2011
at 01:18 PM

How does one get enough fat on this protocol? I'm going to experiment with this but I'm worried about my macro ratios a bit. Besides coconut and avocado, what are some reliable sources of good fats?

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on October 16, 2010
at 03:32 PM

I have seen a few differences in my skin with this eating plan. I developed acne for the first time in my life last year, which I think was tied to stress. I was already eating gluten and dairy free at that point, but I think I cut down on my body's stress by taking out fruit, other grains, and legumes. Cutting out nightshades helps too. A month ago, I accidentally bought two crates of tomatoes and then tried to eat them all in a week to prevent spoilage -- breakout city. But I make nightshades my cheat now - I'll have a small amount of tomatoes or eggplant a few times a week.

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on October 16, 2010
at 03:27 PM

Hey Aaron, assuming your comment was addressed to me, I plan for 3 meals a day when I grocery shop, but then I just eat when and as much as I'm hungry on a daily basis. For breakfast I have organic celery and cucumber and dried veggie crackers I make in a dehydrator. For lunch it's usually salad greens topped with broiled chicken thighs. If I'm hungry for dinner, then I experiment more with different green veggies and meat. Otherwise I skip it and drink some tea. Since cutting out fruit, my appetite has dramatically decreased.

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on October 16, 2010
at 03:09 PM

this sounds like the diet i was asking about earlier this week with respect to acne. i think it would help my skin a bit. what does your daily meal plan look like? are you eating meat breakfast lunch and dinner or eating less that 3x a day?

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on October 15, 2010
at 03:52 PM

Steph, if i remember correctly Luming had a prob getting too skinny. Some people need the carbs to maintain weight. However, I do agree that fruit juice may not be so healthy. Full pieces of fruit might be better.

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on October 15, 2010
at 11:22 AM

Fruit juice is a fructose bomb. Not drinking water is such a bad idea it's not even funny. Tubers can supply minerals, but you're stretching it... There are studies of people living off tubers... But it's boring to the Nth degree

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on October 14, 2010
at 01:28 PM

Aahahaha. It's on bitches. Cookbooks are the new blogs.

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on October 14, 2010
at 12:30 PM

Mushrooms are out for Candida, I don't think I've seen auto-immune mentioned.

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on October 14, 2010
at 07:00 AM

Meat & veg, lots of fat - that's my diet for a long time now, and I love it! Lamb chops on sauteed red cabbage and zucchini... Jonathan's sausages with roast carrot and squash... Yum! And sometimes, I skip the veggies altogether ;)

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on October 14, 2010
at 02:55 AM

*tomatillos included. :)

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on October 14, 2010
at 02:54 AM

Peppers are nightshades. Also: potatoes, tomatoes, and eggplant.

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at 02:05 AM

this morning i had mexican chorizo with homemade salsa verde, some leftover sauteed peppers and onions, and an avocado. Couldn't help but notice that my meal would fit into your guidelines. Not sure if tomatillos are nightshade though... the salsa was roasted tomatillos, roasted onions, garlic, cilantro, jalapeno, salt and pepper

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on October 14, 2010
at 03:04 AM

I have a very similar problem and ended up turning to fruits to fill in my caloric balance for a while. That was a giant mistake, and I've since then found my salvation in--you guessed it--fat, fat, and fat.

So I eat a lot of coconut. I whip coconut cream to make a 'whipped cream' of sorts. Its quite delicious and super quick. Put a can of cream in the fridge and let the cream and water separate. Extract the cream and beat with a hand beater for a few minutes. Add vanilla, cinnamon, Stevia, orange zest..whatever flavoring you like. This is a fantastic way to fill up (about 750 calories per can) even if it can get monotonous. I do this every few days or so.

I also, although this is more labor intensive, enjoy making coconut flour breads. Coconut flour, oil, milk..with butter. And adding shredded carrots, zucchini, or even apples seems to balance out the egg deprivation. I'd share a recipe with you but its quite an ad hoc process. Mix to desired consistency and bake somewhere in the 300s. :)

Finally, I do lots and lots of canned seafood. And if you mix it up, you still get loads of variety. Kippered herring is especially good and is high in omega threes while being low in mercury. Canned octopus is also quite good. And of course sardines. Varieties to avoid like the plague are tuna and even farmed salmon. Try and get wild caught fish as it has the best omega 3 balance. Some varieties come in olive oil and water, which is best. I avoid those that come in other oils. Finally, I like to put my canned seafoods on beds of greens with whatever vegetables I have lying around. And I throw on some butter, oil and OLIVES (mmm) for extra calories if I need 'em. I can't be afraid of fat these days, though this is certainly a lesson I'm learning slowly.

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on September 23, 2011
at 02:19 AM

May I ask, why did you find fruit to be a disaster? Thanks, Arthur

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:23 AM

Be careful with coconut, it makes many people with inflammatory arthritis... flare up, including me.

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on October 14, 2010
at 03:33 AM

I'm in a similar situation, as of about a week in, but with the inclusion of no fruit. Basically, I just take a bed of greens and at some meat or fish to it. I'd love to see other's suggestions, but here's what I've been trying:

for veggies:

braised cucumbers -- basically cukes fried in coconut oil

bok choy -- steam or fried in coconut oil, then add a little lemon juice

kale as salad -- massaged with olive oil and apple cider vinegar

raw arugula as salad

raw baby spinach as salad

raw zucchini -- spiralized into noodles (need a spiralizer for this)

for protein:

chicken thighs -- rubbed with store-bought spice rubs and broiled

white fishes -- rubbed with olive oil, wrapped in banana leaves, baked

ground beef -- fried and added to some no-nightshade pasta sauce

steak -- broiled

People on here talk a lot about eating fat, but I don't find myself making a conscious effort of it. I dress my salads with olive oil and I cook most proteins in some oil, but that's about it. Not sure how this plays out - maybe it's a matter of person preference? Or should I make a conscious effort to get more fat?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

im pretty much spot on with Olga and GGPrimal here. I eat no dairy, no seeds or nuts, and no nightshades. I still have no problem with regular eating, and even occasional restaurant meals. Essentially big chunk and meat with fat, over some bed of some vegetable. With all the different fats for dressings and flavor im never at a loss. Maybe im just not that picky, though.

E46d4f7e35e46ee4e8211ab4bc852023

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on October 16, 2010
at 03:27 PM

Hey Aaron, assuming your comment was addressed to me, I plan for 3 meals a day when I grocery shop, but then I just eat when and as much as I'm hungry on a daily basis. For breakfast I have organic celery and cucumber and dried veggie crackers I make in a dehydrator. For lunch it's usually salad greens topped with broiled chicken thighs. If I'm hungry for dinner, then I experiment more with different green veggies and meat. Otherwise I skip it and drink some tea. Since cutting out fruit, my appetite has dramatically decreased.

7cd98e6778c984411cafb941fc429c13

(304)

on October 16, 2010
at 03:09 PM

this sounds like the diet i was asking about earlier this week with respect to acne. i think it would help my skin a bit. what does your daily meal plan look like? are you eating meat breakfast lunch and dinner or eating less that 3x a day?

1f70da0b737e9c6e7679a248f4228a01

on October 14, 2010
at 07:00 AM

Meat & veg, lots of fat - that's my diet for a long time now, and I love it! Lamb chops on sauteed red cabbage and zucchini... Jonathan's sausages with roast carrot and squash... Yum! And sometimes, I skip the veggies altogether ;)

E46d4f7e35e46ee4e8211ab4bc852023

(1510)

on October 16, 2010
at 03:32 PM

I have seen a few differences in my skin with this eating plan. I developed acne for the first time in my life last year, which I think was tied to stress. I was already eating gluten and dairy free at that point, but I think I cut down on my body's stress by taking out fruit, other grains, and legumes. Cutting out nightshades helps too. A month ago, I accidentally bought two crates of tomatoes and then tried to eat them all in a week to prevent spoilage -- breakout city. But I make nightshades my cheat now - I'll have a small amount of tomatoes or eggplant a few times a week.

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on May 09, 2011
at 01:18 PM

How does one get enough fat on this protocol? I'm going to experiment with this but I'm worried about my macro ratios a bit. Besides coconut and avocado, what are some reliable sources of good fats?

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on October 14, 2010
at 02:25 AM

You can do loads with salads and veggie stir fries. Hit the produce section, there's kale, spinach, lettuce, olives, avocado, cucumber, zuccinni, cauliflower, mushrooms, on and on. And yams, carrots, some fruit, stuff like that if a higher carb intake doesn't bug ya. Keep a fridge stocked with diced/sliced veggies, and you can mix up a salad or stirfry add any meat/fish/fats seasonings. Really pretty easy, just keep the "banned" list at the top of your mind and hit up everything else.

I think peppers, tomatoes are nightshades and best avoided in the Lindy's situation.

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on June 05, 2012
at 11:03 PM

Eat TONS of FATTY yummy red meats! Bison,beef,lamb YUM! Cook in butter/coconut oil. Eat the fattiest cuts. Eat with green veggies. Simple but considering you have an autoimmune disorder it's what you have to do.

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on June 05, 2012
at 09:30 PM

Lindy- I'm on the autoimmune protocol too and sometimes I feel like I can't eat anything!!! Like the others said though, it is meant to only be a temporary thing so hang in there... Although I've had a hard time finding these without paprika or tomatoes, I've eaten sausages for breakfast as a replacement for eggs. The Spicy ones are very tasty with some raw probiotic filled sauerkraut!

I have been doing a lot of roasting, Pot Roast/Roast Chicken/Roasted veggies of all sorts...so that I have food on hand at all times. I also keep tins of sardines around and would love to have more smoked oysters if I could find them anywhere. Anyone know why they are out at every store?

I've been also starting the day with a large amount of meat and fat with little to no carbs and it keeps my appetite well controlled.

I'm in love with Well Fed's Caramalized Coconut Chips which have zero sugar (just some cinnamon/salt) and a good dose of fat. It curbs my sweet tooth if it rears it's ugly head.

Salads/Roasted Meats & Veggies/Stir Fry are my staples right now...Good Luck!

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on September 23, 2011
at 12:01 AM

I am sensitive to nightshades as well. I found I missed the sauciness of tomatoes and the spiciness of peppers. My solution is to make lots of good, strong bone broth with minimal flavouring to keep it versatile and keep it in small portions in the freezer to add to meat and veggies, and for spicy heat I use ginger or horseradish.

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on November 07, 2010
at 03:31 PM

Go on a market adventure. I went through a produce section and bought one of everything I didn't know how to make then looked up recipes without gluten e etc. I discovered a love of cauliflower and mushrooms and buy them by the pound. hopefully you'll find some cool things too!

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on June 06, 2012
at 10:49 AM

+1 for turning something challenging into something positive!

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on November 07, 2010
at 02:57 PM

Hi Lindy...I love to cook so we have a hot meal twice/day. For a quicker idea you can pre-roast a bunch of root veggies (carrots, beets, turnips, parsnips) and sliced squashes (spaghetti, butternut, pumpkin, etc). Drizzle with olive oil and roast at 350 for an hour. These keep well in the fridge and taste a lot better than you're going to think. Throw them in with whatever salad greens and meat you are having.

To cook many veggies and greens, I first melt coconut oil, add sliced fresh garlic and 1/2 fresh squeezed lemon. Add your spinach or cabbage...or any veggie and stir fry. Sliced fresh ginger is a nice change with this as well.

We also like sliced strawberries with unsweetened flaked coconut. I can't handle other fruits at this point, but hubby also loves the cocount with cubed melon.

It's difficult to eat healthy and be "fast" but you can precook a lot of things on days that you have free time.

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on October 16, 2010
at 12:30 PM

I'm just starving after one week. There's so little to eat other than cuts of meat and some green or a little butternut squash. My body is sending massive "FEED ME" signals despite eating tons of avocado and fatty coconut milk.

One thing I did discover - despite not showing up on allergy tests, I think salmon may not agree with me. Both times I've eaten the fish this week (wild Alaskan), I've gotten a spondylitis flare (arthritis) and gotten sick. I'm now curious to go another week while avoiding it.

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on October 14, 2010
at 01:26 PM

Eat lots and lots of beef fat. Mutton fat. Bison fat. Coconut oil in moderation, because it's expensive and tastes icky.

Don't eat too much pig fat or poultry fat in place of cream and butter. Pig and poultry fat contain too much polyunsaturated fatty acids.

I eat lots of sweet potatoes and taro. Those tubers are rich in minerals. Plenty of fruits and fruit juice as a snack and as a drink. I don't drink much water because it doesn't have many minerals.

You actually don't need any vegetables because you can get all the nutrients from tubers if you eat enough of them. I personally eat around 300 grams of carbs every day.

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on October 15, 2010
at 03:52 PM

Steph, if i remember correctly Luming had a prob getting too skinny. Some people need the carbs to maintain weight. However, I do agree that fruit juice may not be so healthy. Full pieces of fruit might be better.

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on October 15, 2010
at 11:22 AM

Fruit juice is a fructose bomb. Not drinking water is such a bad idea it's not even funny. Tubers can supply minerals, but you're stretching it... There are studies of people living off tubers... But it's boring to the Nth degree

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on October 14, 2010
at 12:41 PM

Loren Cordain (Robb did his graduate work under Cordain) has a new cookbook coming out soon, all strict Paleo. ??I would guess there are egg and nightshade free recipes recipes in there as the subject often comes up in his newsletters. ??http://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Diet-Cookbook-Breakfasts-Beverages/dp/0470913045/. There's no preview yet. ??If I were you, I'd write and ask him. ??He might welcome an opportunity to talk about the book.??

His site is here:??http://thepaleodiet.com/ and the newsletters are free.

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Aahahaha. It's on bitches. Cookbooks are the new blogs.

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on October 14, 2010
at 02:23 AM

peppers are also nightshades. you also have to be careful about some spices, paprika being one. we offer lots of quick meal options on our blog that do not include dairy, nuts, nightshades or eggs. Here are some ideas for meals...

-sauteed colorful veggies with shrimp or chicken is great. -tuna or chicken salad with a paleo friendly mayo is quick. -ground turkey or grass-fed beef with homemade taco seasoning and sauteed veggies is simple as well. you can make a lettuce wrap taco, and top with avocado or guacamole, olives, or onion. -use coconut milk instead of full fat dairy. (coconut milk + frozen berries or banana + a tablespoon of coconut butter in a blender would be delicious) -celery or carrots dipped in coconut butter is a great snack (i prefer it to celery and almond butter).

those are just a few options. good luck!

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on October 16, 2010
at 01:33 AM

I am about to begin an elimination diet of these foods as I was just diagnosed with an autoimmune illness too. I interpreted Robb to say that you should eliminate these foods for a month or so, then try them and see if they cause any problems. I just sent a question to Robb's podcast on this very subject. I hope he answers it soon.

I expect to struggle with breakfast because I usually eat eggs or coconut bread made with lots of eggs. I am eager to try the coconut bread with lots of veggies instead of the eggs. Actually, Loren Cordein said that its the egg white that is the problem, and Robb also discussed this on his podcast (I think either episode 7 or 8) on autoimmunity and eggs.
I hope that scrambled egg yolks will be an acceptable breakfast.

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on October 15, 2010
at 10:08 AM

Ugg, you eat broccoli? The rest sounds pretty good tho.. ;)

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http://www.marksdailyapple.com/nightshades/

Just noticed that Mark Sisson has a blog entry that lists the nightshades (thanks for the tip on paprika - didn't know that!).

He did include tomatillos. Any type of pepper is definitely on there.

Not sure about mushrooms with autoimmune. I seem to notice inflammation with them for some reason. Molds may not be good for overly sensitive guts?

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at 12:30 PM

Mushrooms are out for Candida, I don't think I've seen auto-immune mentioned.

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