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Apparently hospitals and insurance companies are going to monitor what we eat?

Commented on June 30, 2014
Created June 27, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Anyone else heard of this? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2671059/T...

What could possibly go wrong? You know what you'll hear...

"You're eating too much meat!"

"How come you aren't eating any grains?"

"Four boxes of eggs a week? No good!"

"OMG, you're cooking with butter and coconut oil? No no no!"

"You have to eat some low-fat dairy!"

Etc. etc. etc.

If this is true, the next logical step for them is to control what you buy and what you eat (otherwise what's the point of this?). What do you think? Does this worry you?

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on June 30, 2014
at 02:26 PM

The whole point is to raise the fees. Nothing else. Because Obamacare has a lot of underfunded coverage for high risk low income users, those that can pay must pay as much as they can extract. Rich fat cats are the supposed target, but anyone that can afford to pay who is unhealthy will get hit hard.

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on June 30, 2014
at 02:19 PM

So then to follow that to the logical conclusion, I guess insurance companies should also issue some sort of reflex test that they factor into your rates. *Then you can get a discount too, you speeder you! Lol :p.

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on June 30, 2014
at 02:15 PM

Insurance companies are worried about risk, a result of dietary outcomes. If what you eat makes you obese they'll increase your rate. They don't care whether you did it with bacon or Twinkies. The only place Paleos get nicked is if they're monitoring lipid panels for CVD risk.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on June 30, 2014
at 01:23 PM

come again? you have posted lots of times that even conventional meat is better than grains.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 30, 2014
at 10:42 AM

You can be a great driver and drive fast, in fact, your brain might actually run faster than the average person, and because of that you're able to drive faster and react faster to driving conditions than most, but because you drive faster, you'll be charged more for it. Remember, the average driver also includes teenagers who just started and the elderly whose brains can't react as quickly.

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on June 30, 2014
at 06:19 AM

Today? ;) .

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on June 30, 2014
at 05:18 AM

*clap,clap,clap*

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on June 30, 2014
at 01:27 AM

Haha, you know you're on the internet when somebody brings up a comparison to Nazis.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on June 30, 2014
at 01:16 AM

Given the data, you are more likely to have heart issues given that diet. But then health markers are more predictive than diet.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on June 30, 2014
at 01:13 AM

And on average, it should be for eating those things.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on June 30, 2014
at 01:08 AM

Hundreds of years ago Jefferson said that If the American people ever give the power to print their own money over to a private institution then first by inflation and then by deflation the banks and the corporations that will rise up around the banks will rob the people of the land their forefathers conquered. I absolutely believe that many large corporations fall victim to the current banking and taxing systems that we have now days and this encourages short term profits that tend to be bad long term. But this data in itself is not good or bad. It could just as easily be used well or evily.

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on June 30, 2014
at 01:04 AM

I'm not sure where they're implementing this, but in America, Obama passed this thing called the Affordable Care Act, you can't be denied coverage anymore is my understanding of this bill. I'm a great driver, and if I'd save money to install a tracker then heck yes I'll do it! There is nothing evil or good about this. It is information that can be used for either extreme good or extreme evil, but the information itself and the gathering of it is no more evil than Darwin gathering information on species evolution (which at the time the church said was evil).

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 10:01 PM

The road to hell is paved with great intentions, just like this one.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:59 PM

I am, it's none of their business where I go and what I do.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:59 PM

Your definition of crap will differ from your insurance company's. "OMG, you eat beef? You eat bacon? Your rate is now doubled."

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:47 PM

Of course you shouldn't cover someone who's completely unhealthy. My point is that according to how doctors are taught today, YOU are just as unhealthy! According to them, you should be eating a cupboard-full of grains, beans, and low-fat CRAP, because that's what they're taught is "healthy". What I'm trying to say is, don't think for a moment that this intrusion will only target obese unhealthy people. If they can save money on YOU by denying you insurance on grounds that you're a heart attack waiting to happen because of your high meat and fat consumption, they will.

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:46 PM

wtfgod, I'm not comparing US to Nazi Germany. I'm saying that just because you're living in a relatively prosperous and free society today doesn't mean it can't change to fascism or economic ruin. "It can't happen here" is a ludicrous notion. It can happen anywhere, and if you look at history, it never happened overnight, but in small, seemingly innocuous increments.

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:45 PM

See, and yet according to some of the above comments, WE are the paranoid ones...

Check out rawmilk.com - apparently you can still get it in all states.

They can pry my raw milk from my cold dead hands.

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:45 PM

See, and yet according to some of the above comments, WE are the paranoid ones...

Check out rawmilk.com - apparently you can still get it in all states.

They can pry my raw milk from my cold dead hands.

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:37 PM

wtfgod, I'm not comparing US to Nazi Germany. I'm saying that just because your life is nice and peaceful now doesn't mean it can't change. Just because you're living in a relatively prosperous and free society today doesn't mean it can't change to fascism or ruin. "It can't happen here" is a ludicrous notion. It can happen anywhere, and if you look at history, it never happened overnight, but in small, seemingly innocuous increments.

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:31 PM

I sure plan to, raydawg! :)

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:28 PM

Of course you shouldn't cover someone who's completely unhealthy. My point is that according to how doctors are taught today, YOU are just as unhealthy! According to them, you should be eating a cupboard-full of grains, beans, and low-fat CRAP, because that's what they're taught is "healthy". What I'm trying to say is, don't think for a moment that this intrusion will only target obese unhealthy people. If they can save money on YOU by denying you insurance on grounds that you're a heart attack waiting to happen because of your high meat and fat consumption, they will.

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on June 29, 2014
at 08:24 PM

Companies have to pay a fee everytime you use a credit card, why would they not pass that cost onto you? Or a better question is, why shouldn't they when you are the one getting the service from the credit card company. ( convenience )

As far as the car thing, it will probably shift the cost from safe drivers to the risky drivers, which is exactly what you want to do. ( This provides the best outcomes )

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on June 29, 2014
at 07:02 PM

Yeah, I drive with a GPS monitoring unit in my car to reduce my insurance rates, I'm not too overly concerned with privacy when it comes to reducing the cost of my insurance.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on June 29, 2014
at 06:43 PM

What do you mean trying? Here in Michigan farmers have been ruined, from confiscation of 400 gallons of milk to (more important) prosecution and high lawyer fees. It is illegal.

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on June 29, 2014
at 05:58 PM

I think the OP is more worried about privacy.

I do agree with this though.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on June 29, 2014
at 05:47 PM

I'm one grumpy f*#$ today.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 04:51 PM

Trying? I'd say they've just about succeeded here in the USA - there are armed raids with thugs and machine guns every so often on farms, but of course, there's a counter movement, if there's enough outcry for the small farmer, and enough publicity, it will all change.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 04:49 PM

Yup, if you care about your privacy, don't give up fighting them over it, and don't hand over your data through supermarket loyalty cards.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 04:47 PM

It's none of their beeswax what you do, feel free to tell them so.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 04:36 PM

Yup, here's another example: It's illegal to charge extra for credit card use in the USA. So what do gas stations do? They raise the normal prices and offer a discount on cash, the effect is identical to charging a fee for credit card use, but guess what, it's now perfectly legal. The funny thing is that the name brand gas stations usually don't do this, and if you factor in the extra charge the cheap gas stations are more expensive than the name brand ones!

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on June 29, 2014
at 04:06 PM

@raydawg answer sounds paranoid...but sadly it's not. Follow the money... read the history of statins. :(

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on June 29, 2014
at 04:04 PM

The battle over raw milk in California has been long & hard but raw and raw milk products are now quite available and the controversy has cooled a lot.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on June 29, 2014
at 04:01 PM

What are the chances of the "message" not being "modified" / derailed by market forces (ie $$$$'s) ?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on June 29, 2014
at 03:44 PM

You go Matt!

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on June 29, 2014
at 03:42 PM

@BeastGirl and @raydawg, you are missing something very important. The amount of data that would become available from this tactic would provide a humongous amount of epidemiological data which, assuming open anonymous access would necessarily lead to meta-analysis which would definitively (as much as an observational study can) show which diets and gym memberships are best for which diseases. And BeastGirl,,, it definitely would be voluntary, even if it was mandatory, you can just get cash back and now there's no record of what you buy / eat.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 12:57 PM

Good idea if what they told you to eat was actually a species appropriate diet instead of industrial seed oils, GMO grains, and refined carbs, perhaps.

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on June 29, 2014
at 03:13 AM

Yea, it's funny when people think it's paranoid to compare the USA to Nazi Germany....

Oh, wait...What?

Yea, paranoid and borderline crazy it is.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on June 29, 2014
at 02:38 AM

Without a doubt it is a worry. The CW is that one has to eat grains, low fat, and that seed oils are healthy. And they will raise your insurance if you eat butter and meat. To me it is obvious that this would be the outcome. Although in our case the only food purchases they can trace is fruit and fish at Costco. Everything else is cash or check, or free from the garden. In fact, according to my credit card we are vegans with fish.

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at 02:03 AM

I can't find the article, but they're apparently trying to criminalize unprocessed milk. I feel this might just be another way to make life difficult for small and organic farms because more people are waking up to the truth about nutrition, and that hurts Big Agra.

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on June 29, 2014
at 01:59 AM

Funny how people always think it's paranoid to worry about things like that. I imagine in the 1930s there were many people in Germany who were called paranoid, too. I'd rather be paranoid and wrong. ;)

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at 01:58 AM

Haven't even though of that. Good point.

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at 01:55 AM

Voluntary, maybe. Except we all know it won't be. But my main concern is that the way doctors are taught, they have no idea what's actually healthy and I see this potentially trying to force people like us into unhealthy behaviors (like eating grain and doing chronic cardio).

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on June 29, 2014
at 03:03 PM

If you eat crap, why should the insurance company cover your diabetes? Or at very least, should charge you significantly more for insurance or up your co-pays for your unhealthy habits. Health insurance seems to be the only insurance that doesn't take into account health/habits when pricing. I've got no chronic health issues, not overweight, and yet… I pay just as much as somebody with chronic autoimmune disease and 100 pounds overweight. The only reason I'm likely to use health care services is if I break a bone or get an infectious disease. Unlike the sickie, who goes in monthly for new medications because their autoimmune disease is not managed and their weight is ballooning.

Do people not understand what insurance is? (In fact, the definition is changing as folks bastardize it.)

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on June 29, 2014
at 05:58 PM

I think the OP is more worried about privacy.

I do agree with this though.

Medium avatar

(297)

on June 29, 2014
at 09:47 PM

Of course you shouldn't cover someone who's completely unhealthy. My point is that according to how doctors are taught today, YOU are just as unhealthy! According to them, you should be eating a cupboard-full of grains, beans, and low-fat CRAP, because that's what they're taught is "healthy". What I'm trying to say is, don't think for a moment that this intrusion will only target obese unhealthy people. If they can save money on YOU by denying you insurance on grounds that you're a heart attack waiting to happen because of your high meat and fat consumption, they will.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10979)

on June 29, 2014
at 03:44 PM

You go Matt!

Medium avatar

(297)

on June 29, 2014
at 09:28 PM

Of course you shouldn't cover someone who's completely unhealthy. My point is that according to how doctors are taught today, YOU are just as unhealthy! According to them, you should be eating a cupboard-full of grains, beans, and low-fat CRAP, because that's what they're taught is "healthy". What I'm trying to say is, don't think for a moment that this intrusion will only target obese unhealthy people. If they can save money on YOU by denying you insurance on grounds that you're a heart attack waiting to happen because of your high meat and fat consumption, they will.

Medium avatar

(10557)

on June 30, 2014
at 02:15 PM

Insurance companies are worried about risk, a result of dietary outcomes. If what you eat makes you obese they'll increase your rate. They don't care whether you did it with bacon or Twinkies. The only place Paleos get nicked is if they're monitoring lipid panels for CVD risk.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:59 PM

Your definition of crap will differ from your insurance company's. "OMG, you eat beef? You eat bacon? Your rate is now doubled."

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 01:10 PM

Absolutely, it's just another excuse to attempt to deny heathcare, or at minimum raise the fees. Oh, you broke your leg? We're not going to cover your doctor's fees since you eat butter, coconut oil and meat.

Some car insurance companies are doing similar things by asking you to install a tracker in your car's OBD port - apparently they can also monitor how fast you drive, how often you brake, etc. Same idea. At first they're claiming this will save you money, and it probably will, but over time, they'll raise the rates across the board, so you'll be paying the same as you're paying now with this added tracker.

It's pure evil, as we've come to expect of the cut-ever-corner-squeeze-every-tenth-penny corprocracy, and of course with enough lobbying influence, the politicians are in the bag and on board with anything that screws the consumer.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on June 29, 2014
at 04:06 PM

@raydawg answer sounds paranoid...but sadly it's not. Follow the money... read the history of statins. :(

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on June 30, 2014
at 02:26 PM

The whole point is to raise the fees. Nothing else. Because Obamacare has a lot of underfunded coverage for high risk low income users, those that can pay must pay as much as they can extract. Rich fat cats are the supposed target, but anyone that can afford to pay who is unhealthy will get hit hard.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10979)

on June 30, 2014
at 01:04 AM

I'm not sure where they're implementing this, but in America, Obama passed this thing called the Affordable Care Act, you can't be denied coverage anymore is my understanding of this bill. I'm a great driver, and if I'd save money to install a tracker then heck yes I'll do it! There is nothing evil or good about this. It is information that can be used for either extreme good or extreme evil, but the information itself and the gathering of it is no more evil than Darwin gathering information on species evolution (which at the time the church said was evil).

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F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on June 28, 2014
at 07:00 PM

I could see that data would be more than a bit suspect... since I shop for a couple neighbors on the way home for work at least twice a week.

Plus what if I give a party or buy for a party at work.

What I buy does not closely correlate with what I eat.... the stuff I grow in my yard & my neighbors yard winds up being eaten but not "purchased".

What about cash purchases at the framers market?

What about my CSA pastured eggs?

What about dinners or lunches that my son buys me?

Medium avatar

(297)

on June 29, 2014
at 09:45 PM

See, and yet according to some of the above comments, WE are the paranoid ones...

Check out rawmilk.com - apparently you can still get it in all states.

They can pry my raw milk from my cold dead hands.

Medium avatar

(297)

on June 29, 2014
at 02:03 AM

I can't find the article, but they're apparently trying to criminalize unprocessed milk. I feel this might just be another way to make life difficult for small and organic farms because more people are waking up to the truth about nutrition, and that hurts Big Agra.

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on June 28, 2014
at 01:44 PM

I think this is a good idea, if you wanted to cheat you could always use cash, this would probably be voluntary, I assume you would have to fill out some sort of consent form, this would be a good way for doctors to be like, I see you bought 8 2 liter sodas this week, did you drink all of those? Or hmm, I see that every day for lunch you spend 18$ at McDonalds, what do you typically get there? This could be immensely useful for voluntarily holding people accountable.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19142)

on June 29, 2014
at 12:57 PM

Good idea if what they told you to eat was actually a species appropriate diet instead of industrial seed oils, GMO grains, and refined carbs, perhaps.

Medium avatar

(297)

on June 29, 2014
at 01:55 AM

Voluntary, maybe. Except we all know it won't be. But my main concern is that the way doctors are taught, they have no idea what's actually healthy and I see this potentially trying to force people like us into unhealthy behaviors (like eating grain and doing chronic cardio).

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10979)

on June 29, 2014
at 03:42 PM

@BeastGirl and @raydawg, you are missing something very important. The amount of data that would become available from this tactic would provide a humongous amount of epidemiological data which, assuming open anonymous access would necessarily lead to meta-analysis which would definitively (as much as an observational study can) show which diets and gym memberships are best for which diseases. And BeastGirl,,, it definitely would be voluntary, even if it was mandatory, you can just get cash back and now there's no record of what you buy / eat.

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7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on June 28, 2014
at 05:07 AM

I kind of like the idea, self-reporting things like this is incredibly unreliable and this may be able to help the doctor point out specific areas that the patient can work on.

What could possibly go wrong? You know what you'll hear..

I imagine this will mostly be used for obese patients, I don't think a doctor is going to waste the little time he has with a non-obese patient to pull up their grocery list and make snarky commentary on it.

Worse comes to worst you could just not use a credit card to grocery shop, problem solved. They also aren't actually collecting the data...The data is already out there and being used by marketing companies, which is a bit more disturbing than your doctor being the only one with access to the information. ( IMO )

If this is true, the next logical step for them is to control what you 
buy and what you eat (otherwise what's the point of this?). What do you 
think? Does this worry you?

The idea that this is somehow a 'slippery-slope' to government run grocery trips is just silly and paranoid...that sounds like something you heard on fox news...

Now...if you want something to be paranoid about your time would probably be better spent worrying about the NSA collecting every other piece of data they can find online about you and every other US citizen. ( Your google searches are probably infinitely more sensitive than your grocery list. )

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 10:01 PM

The road to hell is paved with great intentions, just like this one.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 29, 2014
at 04:49 PM

Yup, if you care about your privacy, don't give up fighting them over it, and don't hand over your data through supermarket loyalty cards.

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:37 PM

wtfgod, I'm not comparing US to Nazi Germany. I'm saying that just because your life is nice and peaceful now doesn't mean it can't change. Just because you're living in a relatively prosperous and free society today doesn't mean it can't change to fascism or ruin. "It can't happen here" is a ludicrous notion. It can happen anywhere, and if you look at history, it never happened overnight, but in small, seemingly innocuous increments.

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on June 29, 2014
at 01:59 AM

Funny how people always think it's paranoid to worry about things like that. I imagine in the 1930s there were many people in Germany who were called paranoid, too. I'd rather be paranoid and wrong. ;)

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56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on June 28, 2014
at 01:31 AM

good point. I would not be against it in principle, but now that I have seen your post, it is a worry. I wonder what they make of me buying $100 in vegetable seeds every year.

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on June 29, 2014
at 01:58 AM

Haven't even though of that. Good point.

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on June 29, 2014
at 04:47 PM

It's none of their beeswax what you do, feel free to tell them so.

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on June 29, 2014
at 09:31 PM

I sure plan to, raydawg! :)

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