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What do you think about a pill that makes eating meat impossible?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created March 13, 2012 at 12:06 AM

There are some thinkers out there throwing around the idea of creating a pill or a patch that would make meat-eating a thing of the past.... by inducing nausea. They believe that this would help reduce greenhouse gasses.

Here, let me throw a quote up here:

"Question: One human engineering strategy you mention is a kind of pharmacologically induced meat intolerance. You suggest that humans could be given meat alongside a medication that triggers extreme nausea, which would then cause a long-lasting aversion to meat eating. Why is it that you expect this could have such a dramatic impact on climate change?

Liao: There is a widely cited U.N. Food and Agricultural Organization report that estimates that 18% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions and CO2 equivalents come from livestock farming, which is actually a much higher share than from transportation. More recently it's been suggested that livestock farming accounts for as much as 51% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions. And then there are estimates that as much as 9% of human emissions occur as a result of deforestation for the expansion of pastures for livestock. And that doesn't even to take into account the emissions that arise from manure, or from the livestock directly. Since a large portion of these cows and other grazing animals are raised for consumption, it seems obvious that reducing the consumption of these meats could have considerable environmental benefits.

Even a minor 21% to 24% reduction in the consumption of these kinds of meats could result in the same reduction in emissions as the total localization of food production, which would mean reducing "food miles" to zero. And, I think it's important to note that it wouldn't necessarily need to be a pill. We have also toyed around with the idea of a patch that might stimulate the immune system to reject common bovine proteins, which could lead to a similar kind of lasting aversion to meat products."

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/03/how-engineering-the-human-body-could-combat-climate-change/253981/?google_editors_picks=true

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

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on March 23, 2012
at 04:42 PM

raydawg you are funny but somehow I don't think advertisers will make delicious food ...

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

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on March 14, 2012
at 08:31 PM

many climate change people want people to go vegetarian/vegan, here's a way to try to force it on people.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6244)

on March 14, 2012
at 08:29 PM

Very disturbing - this is about control and fascism ...

D8c04730b5d016a839b3c5b932bf59dd

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on March 14, 2012
at 04:54 AM

Gotta love Veridian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezEMnzmDYZU

8ea84667a7f11ac3967f2ecfcad28ad8

(641)

on March 13, 2012
at 06:52 PM

23 steers for every 10 acres counts as "moderate grazing"? They are definitely not in Texas. (My rancher's roots are showing...)

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

(3499)

on March 13, 2012
at 02:53 PM

Raydawg, that was a reasoned and insightful comment. However, I was really commenting on the form the question took. "What do you think about X? [citation of nonsense]" We have an arms-race problem with dumb agendas, where for us to be successful we have to shout them all down, whereas the pushers of dumb agendas only need to let one through -- it's the same economics as that of computer/network intrusion. You are going to wear yourself out fighting every one with reason and sources. Just shout louder; it makes it look like you know what you're doing to people who can't tell the difference.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19072)

on March 13, 2012
at 02:47 PM

Where do you think these kind of nutsos get these wild ideas from? 1984, Clockwork Orange, F451, Animal Farm, Logan's Run, Soylent Green... To them, these aren't warnings of things to avoid, they're 5 year plans. :)

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19072)

on March 13, 2012
at 02:42 PM

I'm a bit worried about the "Next" - it's too dismissive, and that makes it dangerous - if we all ignore pure evil like this, it will be allowed to take hold. Yes, it's unlikely that this misguided person will get his dream, however, the foolish idea is placed out there that meat is "bad", and that must be countered with as much enthusiasm or more, as those pushing these dumb agendas -- before real meat goes the way of raw milk.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19072)

on March 13, 2012
at 01:04 PM

Instead, I'd like to see a pill that converts vegans to paleo eaters, and a pill that turns those who make crap in a box, GMO foods, into free-range farmers. Also, a pill that turns those who advertise for big pharma, big agra into delicious grass fed cattle.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21415)

on March 13, 2012
at 11:27 AM

Just like us, cows fart a lot from grains too! Give them a natural diet and rotate their grazing fields, and they will be happy, and emissions will go down. Plus, nitrogen-rich poop will enrich the soil making happier plants, who's consumption of CO2 acts as a buffer to high carbon emissions. Win/Win.

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3661)

on March 13, 2012
at 10:00 AM

Haha. On this morning's edition of McLaughlin Group, best diet-"Dr Ornish..".."Vegan..." "Wrong!.. Senator Wheatbelly.." "Whole grains are the..." "Wrong!...Dr Guye-something..." "It's not that, it's reward" "Wrong! what's your take, Miss please-tell-me-you-are-single Minger..."

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3661)

on March 13, 2012
at 09:15 AM

It's not government policy and never really will be. It looks more like a case of government/grant money gone astray. As soon as your work contains the phrase "global warming" it opens doors, and bank accounts.

0df0b1c6ae16bbb75b4a5efa3d876765

(2240)

on March 13, 2012
at 07:57 AM

sounds about right...

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 13, 2012
at 07:46 AM

...to help lower the temperature by making the ice more compact and the surface of the earth more reflective. Cattle strategically grazed can reverse the growth of the deserts, and bring back the grasslands, which will also help sequester greenhouse gasses. One more pharmaceutical, especially one that would make us unable to eat the thing that has made me healthy makes me want to kick something...hard.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 13, 2012
at 07:41 AM

Well intentioned, but woefully misguided. The "road to Hell..." yadda yadda yadda. Ruminants can help just as much as they can hurt the environment, it just matters on how they are pastured, and where. If they are really serious about stopping methane and greenhouse gasses they'll get their butts up to the Arctic circle to work on refreezing the permafrost before the methane deposits below come belching out and do more harm than industry, transportation, and cattle combined. Large ruminants have proven to be one of the best tools for stomping down the snow and nibbling on the grasses...

D8c04730b5d016a839b3c5b932bf59dd

(823)

on March 13, 2012
at 05:52 AM

lol ~ Travis you crack me up

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 13, 2012
at 03:00 AM

You know, this concept is so repugnant that I had to FORCE myself to give you an up-vote. I know I shouldn't shoot the messenger, but ...

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 13, 2012
at 02:58 AM

It's so frustrating that info like this doesn't seem to appear in the press yet article after article discourages eating meat.

0df0b1c6ae16bbb75b4a5efa3d876765

(2240)

on March 13, 2012
at 01:05 AM

Very much agreed :)

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

(3499)

on March 13, 2012
at 12:51 AM

You know, for a lot of us, that "pill" is SAD food.

A4587cfef29863db612c43f89c202cc1

(2053)

on March 13, 2012
at 12:34 AM

There is something wrong with people who want to tell other people how to live.

Medium avatar

(19479)

on March 13, 2012
at 12:29 AM

Lol, I imagined you saying "Next!" like John McLoughlin used to say "Wrong!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sdVx5gQz6w&feature=related

F4d04667059bc682540fdfd8b40f13a7

on March 13, 2012
at 12:19 AM

Is this an early April Fools?

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80890193d74240cab6dda920665bfb6c

(1528)

on March 13, 2012
at 01:36 AM

Buried deep in the USDA is tiny team charged with investigating sustainable, carbon-reducing farm practices (http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/programs/programs.htm?NP_CODE=212). It's called ARS. Here is the description of an interesting study:

"The research team, which included retired ARS scientists John Stuedemann and Stan Wilkinson, varied the number of cattle per acre, and over 12 years they assessed how the soils would respond to four different scenarios: moderate grazing (average of 23 steers for every 10 acres), intensive or heavy grazing (35 steers per 10 acres), no grazing and letting the grass grow, and no grazing but cutting the grass for hay. Under each scenario they looked at the amount of soil compaction that occurred, the amounts of soil organic carbon and nitrogen found in the soils, and the amounts of surface plant residues, which help prevent erosion. . . .

From an environmental standpoint, grazing has traditionally been viewed as less desirable than leaving the land unused. But the results, published in the Soil Science Society of America Journal, demonstrate that if growers manage cattle so that pastures are grazed moderately, they???re restoring soil quality and cutting greenhouse gases by keeping carbon in the soil as organic matter rather than releasing it into the atmosphere as carbon dioxide."

Upshot: Managed grazing improves the ability of the soil to hold carbon and helps slow global warming. "Cattle Pastures May Improve Soil Quality" was published in the March 2011 issue of Agricultural Research magazine (http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/mar11/soil0311.htm).

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21415)

on March 13, 2012
at 11:27 AM

Just like us, cows fart a lot from grains too! Give them a natural diet and rotate their grazing fields, and they will be happy, and emissions will go down. Plus, nitrogen-rich poop will enrich the soil making happier plants, who's consumption of CO2 acts as a buffer to high carbon emissions. Win/Win.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 13, 2012
at 02:58 AM

It's so frustrating that info like this doesn't seem to appear in the press yet article after article discourages eating meat.

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3661)

on March 13, 2012
at 09:15 AM

It's not government policy and never really will be. It looks more like a case of government/grant money gone astray. As soon as your work contains the phrase "global warming" it opens doors, and bank accounts.

8ea84667a7f11ac3967f2ecfcad28ad8

(641)

on March 13, 2012
at 06:52 PM

23 steers for every 10 acres counts as "moderate grazing"? They are definitely not in Texas. (My rancher's roots are showing...)

8
0df0b1c6ae16bbb75b4a5efa3d876765

(2240)

on March 13, 2012
at 12:31 AM

I smell government! You mean they want to force us to eliminate our meat (and by extension, fat) consumption so we have no choice but to have to suck down GMO crops and laboratory food?

But on a more serious note...how about a pill that induces nausea whenever someone eats SAD food?

0df0b1c6ae16bbb75b4a5efa3d876765

(2240)

on March 13, 2012
at 01:05 AM

Very much agreed :)

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

(3499)

on March 13, 2012
at 12:51 AM

You know, for a lot of us, that "pill" is SAD food.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6244)

on March 14, 2012
at 08:31 PM

many climate change people want people to go vegetarian/vegan, here's a way to try to force it on people.

4
C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

on March 13, 2012
at 12:16 AM

I think it's colossally stupid. Next!

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

(3499)

on March 13, 2012
at 02:53 PM

Raydawg, that was a reasoned and insightful comment. However, I was really commenting on the form the question took. "What do you think about X? [citation of nonsense]" We have an arms-race problem with dumb agendas, where for us to be successful we have to shout them all down, whereas the pushers of dumb agendas only need to let one through -- it's the same economics as that of computer/network intrusion. You are going to wear yourself out fighting every one with reason and sources. Just shout louder; it makes it look like you know what you're doing to people who can't tell the difference.

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3661)

on March 13, 2012
at 10:00 AM

Haha. On this morning's edition of McLaughlin Group, best diet-"Dr Ornish..".."Vegan..." "Wrong!.. Senator Wheatbelly.." "Whole grains are the..." "Wrong!...Dr Guye-something..." "It's not that, it's reward" "Wrong! what's your take, Miss please-tell-me-you-are-single Minger..."

Medium avatar

(19479)

on March 13, 2012
at 12:29 AM

Lol, I imagined you saying "Next!" like John McLoughlin used to say "Wrong!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sdVx5gQz6w&feature=related

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19072)

on March 13, 2012
at 02:42 PM

I'm a bit worried about the "Next" - it's too dismissive, and that makes it dangerous - if we all ignore pure evil like this, it will be allowed to take hold. Yes, it's unlikely that this misguided person will get his dream, however, the foolish idea is placed out there that meat is "bad", and that must be countered with as much enthusiasm or more, as those pushing these dumb agendas -- before real meat goes the way of raw milk.

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E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3661)

on March 13, 2012
at 12:26 AM

Read the article. The guy is a professor of philosophy. No wonder it sounds crazy. Nothing is crazy to them!

2
D8c04730b5d016a839b3c5b932bf59dd

on March 13, 2012
at 05:53 AM

I think that the thinkers who are thinking this up should spend some time watching Clockwork Orange.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19072)

on March 13, 2012
at 02:47 PM

Where do you think these kind of nutsos get these wild ideas from? 1984, Clockwork Orange, F451, Animal Farm, Logan's Run, Soylent Green... To them, these aren't warnings of things to avoid, they're 5 year plans. :)

2
34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on March 13, 2012
at 03:07 AM

Makes as much sense as removing superfluous body parts in healthy people as they are unnecessary, ie- appendectomy, tonsilectomy, wisdom teeth, etc. Seems arrogant to assume we know enough about a system as complex as our own bodies to think that forcing changes on a large scale aren't going to have unforeseen consequences. There are problems with the way most livestock is raised and addressing those issues seems more reasonable to me even if many of us need to reduce consumption as a result.

2
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78407)

on March 13, 2012
at 12:42 AM

It's a good answer. Considering that infant mortality will sky-rocket with poor breast milk creation by mothers. That is ONE way to reduce greenhouse gas'.

1
6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 13, 2012
at 07:50 AM

Well intentioned, but woefully misguided. The "road to Hell..." yadda yadda yadda.

Ruminants can help just as much as they can hurt the environment, it just matters on how they are pastured, and where. If they are really serious about stopping methane and greenhouse gasses they'll get their butts up to the Arctic circle to work on refreezing the permafrost before the methane deposits below come belching out and do more harm than industry, transportation, and cattle combined. Large ruminants have proven to be one of the best tools for stomping down the snow and nibbling on the grasses to help lower the temperature by making the ice more compact and the surface of the earth more reflective.

Cattle strategically grazed can reverse the growth of the deserts, and bring back the grasslands, which will also help sequester greenhouse gasses. One more pharmaceutical, especially one that would make us unable to eat the thing that has made me healthy makes me want to kick something...hard.

1
Medium avatar

on March 13, 2012
at 02:43 AM

Want a lobotomy without all of that messy surgery? Just pop 1 Martyrex and all of my...er...your dreams will come true!

0df0b1c6ae16bbb75b4a5efa3d876765

(2240)

on March 13, 2012
at 07:57 AM

sounds about right...

D8c04730b5d016a839b3c5b932bf59dd

(823)

on March 13, 2012
at 05:52 AM

lol ~ Travis you crack me up

0
5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on March 13, 2012
at 02:18 PM

what-do-you-think-about-a-pill-that-makes-eating-meat-impossible?

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193b7fb0fec8913d5ebb3b99a04d21c6

(2918)

on March 13, 2012
at 01:58 PM

This sounds about as brilliant as creating meat from a test tube in a lab. I'm sure the pill is full of gluten anyway.

D8c04730b5d016a839b3c5b932bf59dd

(823)

on March 14, 2012
at 04:54 AM

Gotta love Veridian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezEMnzmDYZU

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