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Tell me about your personal experience with Chris Kresser

Answered on December 04, 2015
Created March 25, 2012 at 12:04 AM

I would like to go see him for hormone and possible autoimmune reasons but his reviews online are less then stellar. Then again Ive had some good luck following some of his articles. Is this a case of good researcher but bad practitioner (as some college professors are known to be) or have people seen great personal benefit from seeing him? He is super expensive ...$550 ish for first apt so want to make sure its worth it.

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on September 19, 2015
at 12:21 AM

I wanted to respond to Marie 4873 note.  Yes, acupuncturists are trained in nutrition but it's not many classes at all.  May be between 2-6 units. That's not enough to give comprehensive nutrition advice, in at least not in my opinion. Training in nutrition at an acupuncture school is no greater than the nutrition training in medical school.

I would add that yes, acupuncture school is four years.  BUT the requirements to get into an acupuncture school, even in California, where the standards are the highest, are lax.  At the very least, you have to have 2.5 GPA and 60 semester units of college (obviously this varies by college).  Even a top acupuncture school like ACTCM in San Francisco does not require a college degree.  And the application is super duper easy with a 500 word essay, official transcripts and two letters of recommendation. 

I'm not justfying or saying that Western Med is the best or has it all right.  Western med definitely is great for crisis management but not necessarily proactive preventative health.  This being said, to attend medical school you must be a college graduate and generally speaking you must also have a fairly high GPA.  It's very competative and this drives the high GPAs and standards.  Also required is further training post-medical school in internships and residencies.  So the training is NOT equivalent.  At minimum, in medical school you have 7 years of training, which is an additional 3 years.  Which means you have more experience seeing a wide variety of patients.  The other thing is as an MD you know how to order labs and what the labs mean.  Acupuncturists, unless they pay for further training, would have no training in ordering labs.

How do I know this?  I work at an acupuncture school in California.  I seem some stellar students but then I see very very weak students being admitted into acupuncture school.  Anyway, my two cents.

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on August 11, 2014
at 06:36 PM

That is such a pity! I have always rated Chris's opinions on Paleo Nutrition. Sad to think he might not be as helpful as his fee warrants

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on August 11, 2014
at 10:26 AM

Why are you sneaking in links to commercial sites in here? Would you like to be banned for spamming?

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on April 19, 2014
at 09:15 AM

The best medical advice I got was from my doctor, who could look at my tests, and me, and ask me what I'd done to screw up my diet. It didn't take more than a minute to sort it out. It required a personal visit to someone familiar with me for 10 years though.

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on April 19, 2014
at 04:27 AM

I've noticed the robotic tone in his podcasts and his somewhat dogged focus on minute detail. All I can think of when I hear him is "Aspergers". My nephew has AS, very bright (a PhD candidate) but lacking in "people" skills. I wouldn't be surprised if that shoe fits for Kresser.

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on September 29, 2013
at 05:59 PM

Our healthcare system is BEYOND broken as a result of reductionist thinking and the compartmentalization of health care. One of the HUGE benefits of seeing a L.Ac is that they are extensively trained in nutrition and do not rely on segmenting health into components. L.Acs are trained to examine systems, which is a very different perspective from MDs.

For you to discount a medical practice that requires 4 years of graduate level study, including both Western and Eastern diagnoses (yes, FOUR YEARS, just like MDs), is blatantly ignorant

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on September 29, 2013
at 12:10 PM

@Charlie 1

This is very well written, and thoughtful.

Thank you for posting it.

Any chance you'd be willing to follow up on what happened (2 1/2 years later)?

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

not banned, just downvoted :)

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on March 29, 2012
at 12:50 AM

Also, just to be clear, nothing I've said here should be construed as anything negative about Kresser. I still might consult him again in the future.

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on March 29, 2012
at 12:37 AM

Yeah I feel in over my head too. I just have a bunch of weird, mostly minor symptoms and abnormal test results and no one seems to be sure how they fit together. There have been a couple theories, but they don't really fit all the evidence. Using this, there aren't many areas I feel like I've ruled out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_sieve Did your rheumatologist feel like there were any clues as to what is causing your problems, or advice on what you should do next? I'll send you an email later.

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on March 28, 2012
at 09:00 PM

Oh, and by the way, I went to a rheumy and after an hour of questions, examination, medical/family history, and going over blood tests, she says she honestly doubts SLE or something similar. No antibody tests ordered. She took me seriously and I trust her evaluation. I have to remember the only thing that tipped me in this direction was a barely positive ANA. The symptoms are minor enought to be anything, really.

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on March 28, 2012
at 08:56 PM

Not_James, I almost feel uncomfortable posting so much about Kresser's methods on a public forum. Might be easier if you e-mail me: everet.swadson at the-email-provider-that-everyone-uses.com. I'm starting to get in over my head with this stuff.

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on March 28, 2012
at 08:51 PM

dsohei, I was only low carb for a few months, mostly an over-dramatic response to acne. The mysterioous symptoms got worse then but certainly didn't originate with low carb. I've explored everything with thyroid, which both Kresser and I suspected from the get-go. It seems fine.

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on March 27, 2012
at 07:57 PM

I disagree with people saying people only leave bad reviews. I work with dentists for a living and many have glowing reviews. In my experience the ones with bad reviews actually deserved them. Hence why I asked the question

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on March 27, 2012
at 09:26 AM

Because, what if its not autoimmunity, what if its low thyroid or something along those lines

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on March 27, 2012
at 09:22 AM

Streak, have u been low Carb for a while?

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on March 27, 2012
at 05:11 AM

Yes, I've had mild lymphocytopenia for at least about two years. Not sure about before then because I never got a WBC diff. The lymph count got brought up because of recurrent minor illnesses a couple years ago, then more recently the flushing/hypertension/photosensitivity/myriad weird symptoms started or worsened. I'm actually not sure if I've had free T3 checked; the labwork I have with me just mentions TSH, T4, Free T4, and T3 uptake. I guess I need more tests?

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on March 27, 2012
at 04:51 AM

That's very typical. And ur there consistently, not because u had a cold, right. How's your Free T3? A high Rev T3 with 4-6 WBC is very typical for hypothyroid, 90% of which is Hashimoto's, i.e., autoimmune. But not all test + on TPO/TG. All that will show is that you COULD be hypothyroid and have an autoimmune condition. This is not an exact science.

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on March 27, 2012
at 04:16 AM

Thanks for the ideas. WBC is around 4.5, mild lymphocytopenia at 0.9-1.4. (This is normal on some reference ranges, particularly in the US; apparently British people have more lymphocytes.) Haven't had TP or TGO tested, I guess because T3/T4/TSH were totally normal, but will look into that per your suggestion. I'll ask the derm about a biopsy, but I have a feeling he's just going to get out his prescription pad.

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on March 27, 2012
at 03:58 AM

Also, you could do a biopsy of your facial rash by a dermy and that could confirm whether it's lupus. That is, if +, then lupus, if -, then you still don't know. You could be ANA- but if tissue + with symptoms, you could be dxed then.

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on March 27, 2012
at 03:45 AM

I think low WBC is typical for most people with autoimmune diseases. How low is it? The typical pattern is not out of the range but low-normal, like 4-6. Also, about 95% of SLE sufferers are ANA positive, so if you're not positive with only symptoms, you might not be diagnosed. But symptoms can always show up later. Light sensitivity also typical for most connective tissue AI sufferers. Did you get your TP and TGO tested -- they overlap with ANAs. If not tested yet, I'd show studies showing Hashimoto's overlap with SLE, Sjogren's, etc. That's probably the easiest way to confirm autoimmunity.

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on March 27, 2012
at 02:46 AM

Oh sorry that was anticardiolipin antibody, not anticentromere. Yeah this is confusing. : (

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on March 27, 2012
at 02:44 AM

Interestingly all the autoimmune bloodwork has been negative/normal so far, which is making me suspect some other source of a problem like cortisol from a pituitary tumor (which are surprisingly common).

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on March 27, 2012
at 02:42 AM

Hi Namby Pamby, my GP thinks I have some SLE-like condition, because of my depressed lymphocyte count, low platelets, and photosensitive malar rash/flushing, plus some other weird symptoms. ACA was probably for antiphospholipid/Hughes', which sometimes accompanies SLE. I got tested for SSB/La as well (was going by memory earlier, sorry). It is confusing for me too. I think my GP might be pushing the limits of his expertise, but wants to help and is willing to run tests. I was expecting to get told I was fine & referral to a psychiatrist. Prob. going to see a rheum and derm soon.

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on March 27, 2012
at 12:08 AM

Ok, not james, I've been tested for all those antibodies except for ACA, which is centromere and is for scleroderma. U have CREST? The whole alphabet soup can be perplexing and it confused the heck out of my PCP, who's a gastroenterologist of all things. He hadn't a foggiest idea what I was being tested for and why I needed them. Why only SSA/Ro, not SSB/La? Sounds like some COBOL programmer creating spaghetti codes. Mork calling Orson, come in Orson.

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on March 26, 2012
at 11:37 PM

You can try going to a rheumatologist / general practitioner who has research interests in the type of stuff you're looking for. Although I'm sure you've thought of this, since you live in the Bay Area, UCSF and Stanford can be goldmines. Cheaper going through insurance, once you find a good doc.

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on March 26, 2012
at 11:05 PM

I think we, the collective consumer we, should begin to skew the negative collective consumer result, and always send in our kudos whenever possible. We need to change and we want it now! It's true, the Internet is chock full of sick people; the well folks are out living life. I know, I gots lots of BS goin' on.

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on March 26, 2012
at 10:33 PM

StreakofLean, thanks... I was actually more interested in the case review labwork. I suppose I might pay to find out the next time I get stuck. I'm a little reluctant because it probably mostly overlaps with stuff I or my GP have already done.

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on March 26, 2012
at 10:31 PM

I was able to get screening for about 8 antibodies (ANA, anti-dsDNA, ACA, anti-ENA, anti-SSA/Ro, anti-neutrophil, RNP, La, anti-CCP) at the GP level without having to be pushy. Might have gotten something different from a rheumatologist, however many rheumatologists are very focused on joint pain and may think your issues aren't rheumatological if joint pain isn't one of your symptoms.

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on March 26, 2012
at 09:41 PM

Streak, the reason why I say a conventional rheumy might be better positioned is because there are literarry hundreds of different varieties of connective tissue diseases. And more than a dozen antibody tests. A nonspecialist simply doesn't know. The closest specialist to a rheumy would be a neuro or an endo, and they don't know either, since they don't deal with connective tissues. Based on your ANA+ and skin flush, you need a minimum of double strand DNA Ab for SLE.

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on March 26, 2012
at 09:13 PM

Okay, someone has started the ball rolling. You only need two more downvotes. Go ahead, if you ever wanted to say something dumb, now is the chance.

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on March 26, 2012
at 08:15 PM

Yes, and only 15 people have earned it. If you want to type something dumb, I can downvote you, and you can be on your way! http://paleohacks.com/badges/36/peer-pressure#axzz1qFLbk1mK

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on March 26, 2012
at 06:49 PM

Not_James, the bloodwork he did after the initial screening? The case review bloodwork is pretty extensive, I couldn't even summarize it. But the additional tests he ordered, as I remember, were an Immunosciences Autoimmune Panel, Metametrix Organic Basix Profile, and a full thryroid lab from Labcorp (antibodies, free T4, c-reactive preotein, free T3).

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on March 26, 2012
at 06:40 PM

Geoff, yeah, the reason I went to Chris is because I didn't want to take this all on myself. I had tried with self-experimentation, and it was a maddening miserable dead end. That sounds like a good protocol, and may work, but what do you do when it doesn't and provides almost no answers for you? That's where I was. Your other path, as Namby says, is dealing with conventional doctors, wherein you won't even be acknowledged as anything but a crackpot, especially before you had any relevant testing, which they won't order for you, because you're a crackpot....

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on March 26, 2012
at 06:28 PM

Namby: Thanks! I have my first rheumy appointment tomorrow. When I asked for a referral from my PCP, he told me my symptoms/test results were "not clinically significant." Squeezed it out of him anyways. for diet, what's strange is when I ate closest to autoimmune, very strictly, I felt the worst. Perhaps because I didn't know how to do it yet, and so also was limping along on this really limited low-carb thing. What I[m doing now is being patient and diagnostic, no supplements, eating a very doable diet, and seeing what happens, getting a kind of baseline.

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on March 26, 2012
at 02:35 PM

Love that name @ ZombieApocalypseKitten !

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on March 26, 2012
at 05:09 AM

to get banned you have to actually saw something offensive like "all the mods are goats and vegans rulez, here is a link to buy some Viagra!"

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on March 26, 2012
at 02:53 AM

Never been much of a sissy, so I'll leave it as a "badge" of ignorance ;-)

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on March 26, 2012
at 02:47 AM

Also, to Streak, I realize ur in a rush to solve this autoimmunity, but you've got to give it some time. Have your diet as close to the autoimmune diet as possible; to do that, you have to explore new food sources and that will take time. I would reserve LDN for when you fail to reduce your symptoms via diet; but from what I'm hearing, your symptoms aren't that serious ... except for a numb feet ... unexplained neuropathy that may completely immobilize your foot is a serious issue. I would still look for a competent rheumy that is used to testing antibodies for Sjogren's, CREST, RA and SLE.

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on March 26, 2012
at 02:35 AM

Holy basil from a naturopath? Well, I think in many cases, we simply don't know still. At least the doc here odered a slew of relevant tests. You don't know how much time you'll be wasting beating around the bush with someone from alleopathic medicine. It took me 3 years to find an endo who would order thyroid antibody tests for me.

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on March 25, 2012
at 11:19 PM

Im asking this genuinely. It seems like the above is what you'll get from a paleo doc and then maybe things like holy basil if youre stressed out??

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on March 25, 2012
at 11:16 PM

So basically order a full thyroid, vit D, c-reactive protein test, etc yourself online and save a bunch of dough? That is actually what my gut instinct was telling me was the proper course of action. It seems like the bottom line is autoimmune Paleo as a base, get your vitamin D up, supplement with magnesium and get a full thyroid test to see what to do with iodine. Then ride that out for 30 days and either add foods back in or tweak from there. Also, get stress and sleep in as much control as possible. Doesnt seem like there is much more then this does there?

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on March 25, 2012
at 10:18 PM

You could make lemonade out of lemons if you want. You can delete your response and actually get the "peer pressure" badge ;).

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on March 25, 2012
at 10:04 PM

Now that I know how NOT to answer (!), THANK you for your well-written short analysis. This really sums it up for me & to keep searching for a practitioner; actually, this and other "findings" particular to my search [for one who isn't my freakin' doctor]. Am I allowed to acknowledge the OP or is that against PH bylaws?

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on March 25, 2012
at 09:53 PM

Also have to agree with you about there being some value in ruling things out. In any discipline, sometimes when you can't figure what something is, you have to figure out what it isn't.

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on March 25, 2012
at 09:52 PM

yes it was obviously very complicated.

F2f559fe327007fd064a0f5bd79d6278

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on March 25, 2012
at 09:48 PM

Hey, thanks for posting this. I'm always interested in what you say, partly because we have some overlapping weird problems. If you have time, could you summarize what bloodwork he used for screening?

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on March 25, 2012
at 09:40 PM

Thank you for taking the time to post a review of your experience.

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on March 25, 2012
at 03:53 PM

People don't tend to speak up unless they've had a bad experience. Anyone who's done any time in customer service knows this. It makes getting a 'kudo' much more meaningful.

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on March 25, 2012
at 10:17 AM

wow. He sounds like a douche on the reviews but anonymous online reviews should be taken with a pinch of salt.

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on March 25, 2012
at 06:48 AM

That's the difference between comments and answers. If you have an answer, answer. IF you have a comment, comment. Not too complicated.

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on March 25, 2012
at 06:04 AM

I'm laughing -- I think I have to read the FAQ cuz I do not quite understand the gestalt here @PH. Like, I don't think I intended to "answer" the OP. Am I banned for life!?

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on March 25, 2012
at 04:59 AM

Fresh out of elaboration except I have attempted to get through the process to "see" Chris; it's a process that can leave one with a lot of doubt.

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on March 25, 2012
at 04:47 AM

This answer is not very helpful without some elaboration.

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on March 25, 2012
at 01:42 AM

Guessing the bad reviews are some of these: http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/3240944/CHRIS-KRESSER-BERKELEY-CA.html (I don't know enough to comment on them.)

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on March 25, 2012
at 01:38 AM

he has bad online reviews?

F2f559fe327007fd064a0f5bd79d6278

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on March 25, 2012
at 01:36 AM

Here is what he told me regarding possible autoimmune issues: diagnosing autoimmune issues via blood tests can be difficult. You may have to assume you have an autoimmune condition and act as if you did -- try the paleo autoimmune protocol, for example. Look at glutathione repletion, B12 levels, and vitamin D levels. You could ask your doctor for a breakdown of levels of Th1 and Th2 cytokines. This advice was tailored to the symptoms and test results I described, so what he would tell you would likely differ.

F2f559fe327007fd064a0f5bd79d6278

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on March 25, 2012
at 01:30 AM

I only saw him once, for a 15 minute consult, but he had some helpful & reasonable advice for me. I haven't worked with him beyond that for now because I live in another country, making ordering lab work somewhat difficult.

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on March 25, 2012
at 12:47 AM

I'd love to know if you get responses. I live in san francisco and I too am considering going to see him.

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on March 25, 2012
at 12:22 AM

See similar post: http://paleohacks.com/questions/66222/has-anyone-consulted-with-chris-kresser-wolf-other-guru-in-the-flesh

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on May 20, 2012
at 12:52 AM

I tend to be more of a lurker than a poster, but I think it's important to share that I didn't have a good experience with Chris Kresser, either. The other reviews here touch on all the same problems I had: he is very expensive, 'prescribes' excessive amounts of expensive supplements without checking in on their efficacy, comes off as arrogant and didn't seem to really like talking during our phone consultations, seems fairly indifferent to patient health issues, and has unpleasant and sometimes unresponsive office staff. I saw another review on another site where the poster said he was uncomfotable with Chris's "aggressive business practices" and I very much agree. We all need to make a living, but this seemed to bleed a little bit too far into the realm of taking advantage of people.

Most importantly, many rounds of testing and more than $1000 later, (yes, I'm a fool, but I felt desperate) he didn't enlighten me to anything that led to any resolution of my symptoms. My impression of him is one of someone who speaks with great respect and deference to people he wants to impress, such as other big names in Paleoland, but treats others, like his patients who are paying him huge sums of money, with a dismissive and somewhat condescending attitude. The indifference leave me feeling a little violated, having shared such intimate details of my health, in the sincere hope that he could help.

If you need help, I don't think Chris Kresser's practice is a good place to look.

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on August 11, 2014
at 06:36 PM

That is such a pity! I have always rated Chris's opinions on Paleo Nutrition. Sad to think he might not be as helpful as his fee warrants

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on September 14, 2014
at 12:07 AM

funny you read his little "about me" on his website and he expresses how he spent so much money on indifferent doctors that couldnt get him better... he sounds like he became what he used to condone... money changes everyone

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on March 29, 2012
at 07:13 AM

I contacted Chris Kresser when I started obsessing with diet after detecting that some joint problems I had improved when I cut gluten and processed foods. By the time of the case review, I had started on a (low-carb) autoimmune Paleo, and a lot of weird symptoms had started to show, like racing heart at night (resulting in insomnia) and during the day, puffy face, fatigue, chest pain, lack of mental focus, dizziness etc. I did not really have these problems pre-Paleo. The case review revealed some wacky patterns. Follow-up tests confirmed anti-bodies to the thyroid. Chris never questioned my diet. From what I told him, he thought it sounded just right. He recommended LDN, which I tried. He did not recommend other supplements, and asked me to wait with dessicated thyroid even though my T3 was very low (on or just below the lab range). I tried the "support your immune system" measures on his website. After 6 months of feeling like shit, including 6 months of amenorrhea (had never had menstrual problems before going low carb Paleo), I started looking elsewhere. What frustrated me the most, is that when I mentioned the big picture in consultations, namely that all my bad symptoms started after going Paleo, he did not take me seriously.

I think Chris is a decent guy. He is friendly during consultations. I think he did a pretty thorough job with the case review. The thing is, I do not buy into his "theory" of hypothyroidism at all, namely that "it is all about the immune system". I have a pretty low stress job and life. I think I had a pretty healthy "lifestyle" before I got messed up. In retrospect, I am sure low-carb Paleo crushed my T3, and consequently messed up my estrogen to progesterone balance and a lot of other stuff. I think my anti-bodies to the thyroid is related to estrogen excess, not that my immune system attacks my thyroid gland. I think Chris missed the hormone connection completely. After implementing some of Ray Peat's recommendations, I got my period back and feel way, way better.

One the positive side, I am happy with the process of getting tests done through Chris. I live outside the US, so getting the ASI and Metametrix GI panel from a local doctor, would be be way more expensive and complicated. Chris' office manager is an absolute darling. Very efficient and easy to work with.

For thyroid related symptoms and hormonal issues, I am skeptical to Chris' approach. However, maybe my case was unique. Maybe he has had good results with others. As for the other problems he specializes in, I have no idea whether his approach is really addressing the "real" underlying cause of the problem or not.

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on April 21, 2015
at 01:02 AM

Hi, just thought I'd say (although you may have already thought this) that maybe low carb does not suit you. There are plenty of emerging discussions about women and low carb and how detrimental it can be to thyroid and other hormone funciton.

I assume you went dairy free too - maybe low calcium could explain some symptoms?

Best of luck!

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on May 27, 2012
at 06:53 PM

I think I might actually be able to offer some useful info based on my experience. I haven't actually had my case review appointment with him yet. It's scheduled for late next month. I started the whole process way back at the beginning of this year, but took me a while to get my tests done (still have to go get blood drawn for a final one, but need to drive to another state for it because of Massachusetts laws).

I don't make much money these days, but I had a bit of a windfall and decided to take the plunge and do a case review with Kresser. I've had horrible acne for over a decade along with some depression and anxiety issues. Paleo has been the first thing that really helped, but I'm not 100% better yet. More importantly, I don't feel that I have a clear sense of the underlying issues that I'm dealing with. Like other answerers, I turned to Chris hoping for some clarity and encouraged by his focus on testing and his expressed skepticism towards easy answers (which I've had handed to me by conventional and alternative docs alike).

Like I said, I haven't actually had my case review appointment with Chris yet, but I made the decision to do this months ago. I think my experience so far is actually worth sharing.

Even my initial 15-minute skype call with Chris took place a few weeks after I signed up for it, so I had some time to think about what I wanted to express to him and what he might ask me. Now, between Chris' podcast, website, and interviews on those of others, it wasn't hard to come up with a short list of obvious things that I might start doing to address my situation. If I'm willing to pay so much money for the guy's advice, I may as well start by acting on the advice he's giving out for free, right? I can be a pretty academic guy, so I sorta felt like I was preparing for inspection by a professor. I didn't want to seem like an idiot for not doing the obvious things.

The call went by quickly. Chris kind of explained the context in which he was going to look at my situation (gut-brain axis kinda stuff, obviously), and he told me what tests he recommends to get started. Rather than doing the standard comprehensive case review tests, we started with the more specific tests (organic acids and intestinal biota) to save time and money.

And I continued in my efforts to do as much as I could pre-case-review. On top of an already strict autoimmune paleo diet, I really became uncompromisingly committed to avoiding tyramine and histamine. I emphasized gut-healing foods like bone broth and ghee. I started taking L-glutamine, marshmallow, slippery elm, probiotics and experimented with other supplements as well. I even tried small amounts of fermented foods despite their amine content but backed off from them again. I redoubled my stress-management efforts, bought dark curtains for my bedroom, read the GAPS book, the Perfect Health Diet, and others to try to learn as much as possible.

The point is, just by making the commitment to the case review, I ended up doing a hell of a lot of work on my own that I might not otherwise have done. This alone is really worth the cost for me.

And then, I got some of my test results. Orgnanic acids and gut biota. The latter came back pretty clean, which was surprising but also a huge load off my mind. Here I was thinking that I might have a gut full of candida or something, and it seems that I'm actually in pretty good shape in that department. The organic acids results were initially mystifying, but I've done a lot of research and note-taking and am slowly starting to comprehend them. Even though I'm not sure just what to do about them, I'm starting to feel like I've caught a glimpse of those underlying mechanisms that I mentioned earlier. The worst part about having a chronic illness for me is not the illness itself but the sense of not knowing what to do about it. I at least now have some clues to go on.

And my problems? Well, they're not gone yet. At the moment, my skin is looking better than ever. My mental issues are day to day, but on the whole I think they are improving. Everything could all go to shit tomorrow, I know, but I think I'm in a better place than I've ever been with respect to my health.

At the end of the day, few other people will care as much about your health as you do, and nobody else is in a better position to really understand your health issues as you are. If you go to someone like Kresser hoping that he will lift the burden of your own health from your shoulders, I think you'll be disappointed. That's the same hope that people drag into conventional doctors' offices every day. It's the same hope that prompts people to buy processed foods covered in health claims.

In a way, Chris can't satisfy me. If he comes to my case review with a super specific answer about what's causing my problems, I will feel cheated, because I know that he can't really know for sure what's going on with me. On the other hand, if he can only offer some vague pronouncements about glutathione and methylation, I might also feel cheated, because I didn't pay all of this money just to hear him reprise one of his podcasts episodes on the phone. Now, of course, I think he will have some valuable information to offer, especially in regards to eliminating possible causes of my condition from consideration. But I know that this probably won't be the end of my travails. I'll probably continue to have these problems for some time, and my work with Kresser will be a small part of the big picture that I'm trying to assemble. I won't fault Kresser for not being able to give me the final word on my issues.

The realization and the commitment to the idea that I am the person who is going to change my own life are really the best things I've gotten out of this whole process.

And one other thing I should consider here is that I've only been paleo for 6 months or so, and I slipped up a few times in the beginning. I've had my problems pretty much my whole life, so the progress I've been making may well just have been a matter of time. And making more progress might just be a matter of patience, not the result of some epiphany that I receive from Kresser or anybody else. One way to look at working with Kresser is just as a coaching experience to keep you committed to what you're doing and to affirm that getting better is a priority for you.

I was surprised to find that I had something to say about this, and writing this has been helpful for me. I'll shut up now! :)

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on September 29, 2013
at 12:10 PM

@Charlie 1

This is very well written, and thoughtful.

Thank you for posting it.

Any chance you'd be willing to follow up on what happened (2 1/2 years later)?

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on February 28, 2013
at 05:42 PM

People, please, save your money.

While I am an MD, I consider myself open-minded and I'll be the first to say that western medicine does not have all the answers. But that doesn't mean that Chris Kresser does.

Reading this guy's blog is sufficient to start--then explore the literature yourself. See what works and what doesn't. But going to see him for an evaluation, blood panel and supplements is just ridiculous and exploitative.

I'd much more highly recommend Mark Sisson's site, Mark's Daily Apple.

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on September 27, 2012
at 05:35 AM

I have an nuanced answer as well. Chris has helped me incredibly. He's given me a better understanding of what's goine on in my body, but that said, I haven't gotten any better while seeing him and still feel horrible. I know that knowledge is power, so I'm grateful that I know what I know now and am hoping that I'll get better someday. But Chris has a terrible bedside manner. His tone is robotic, and the caring vibe he gives off in the podcasts is very different from how he behaves during a phone call with a patient. I do believe that as an individual you are in charge of your own health, but I'd like to feel like I have someone along for ride who has my back. It doesn't feel like that with Chris. Moreover, his assistant, Diane, is incredibly unfriendly and his office policies are absurdly rigid and I have had a few situations where I have been charged when I should not have been. Not trying to be bitchy, Just tellin' it like it is.

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on April 19, 2014
at 04:27 AM

I've noticed the robotic tone in his podcasts and his somewhat dogged focus on minute detail. All I can think of when I hear him is "Aspergers". My nephew has AS, very bright (a PhD candidate) but lacking in "people" skills. I wouldn't be surprised if that shoe fits for Kresser.

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on September 14, 2014
at 01:11 AM

Also had a bad experience, but to be fair my bad experience was with his front office staff.   They constantly lost my name from lists, made absurd claims about him having a "multi-year" backlog, and when my name finally came up on a list they sent one email only.   When I didn't reply to that one email they then removed my name from the list and said it would be multiple years to see him again.

Any service provider who claims they have a multi-year backlog is running their practice in a very wrong way.   If you are so popular increase your price until supply and demand come into a reasonable balance.  

They need to lose the attitude.   If you are going to make people wait years for your services, pick up the damn phone and make a reasonable attempt - which means multiple phone calls and phone tag over the course of a month - to reach that person.   Sending one email and then cancelling the person off the list not only gets a "F" grade for customer service, but ought to qualify for a 60 Minutes expose on sadistic customer service.

It is inhuman to make a person wait years for your service and then to arbitrarily cut them off at the knees because they didn't answer an email.   I lost years off my life and a diagnosis waiting for this person, and in the end had to go elsewhere.

The final complaint is that Chris himself ignores all emails and phone calls from potential customers.   He simply forwards these to the same demonic customer service staff who create problems in the first place.    Therefore he has the perfect storm here of bad employees designing his customer service process, combined with his complete blindness to any feedback about those defective processes.

If there were a grade "G" after "F" I would probably give the "G".   "F" means you utterly failed to help me.   "G" means you actively tried to hurt me.

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on August 11, 2014
at 05:36 AM

I contacted him some time ago but I would save your money, you can probably get as much benefit or more benefit from seeing a naturopath or functional medicine based doctor/practitioner. I am a big fan of his podcasts, articles and website and he does seem to be having more help and guest posts. Since naturopaths are often covered by most health insurance plans (except medicaid and possibly medicare), you could save a lot by just going to one on your plan and some will even be paid for or covered by insurance upfront (instead of you paying first and then having your insurance reimburse you). I met him in person and hes every intelligent, witty and kind person I think (it was for his book signing).

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on August 11, 2014
at 10:26 AM

Why are you sneaking in links to commercial sites in here? Would you like to be banned for spamming?

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on April 18, 2014
at 03:10 PM

Chris Kresser is dangerous. He has no idea what he is doing; he just found some "follow the steps" approach to "treating" people and is running with it. He's about money, and in a niche with very little legitimate research or regulations, he's raking it in. If you spend any time picking apart his articles, you quickly see how skewed his "research" statistics are, and how he has an agenda that he is following. He will use any blurb, completely out of context, as long as it backs up his point. One of my favorites is a Cochran Review that he quoted in his home birth article, "There is no strong evidence to favour either home or hospital birth for selected low-risk pregnant women." Well if you go to the results of the study, they explain that the study (of 11 women) was "too small to be able to draw conclusions;" so, of course there is "no strong evidence," and there is no weak evidence, and there is no evidence of anything at all from that study. That didn't stop him from using the blurb to falsely support his agenda. This is the person he is, and this will be the treatment you receive. Beware of people like this; if you really think you have a medical problem please go to an actual doctor first. They're not all good, they're not all bad, but right now it's your best shot at figuring out what's wrong... Might take seeing a couple of different MDs, but just don't buy anything that this guy tells you as actual evidence based medicine. He talks loud and has lots to say, but when you dig through it, you'll find that he's uneducated, unable to glean the important outcomes of research studies and just doesn't care about the truth, unless it's in his corner and in his bank account. In conclusion: scary person, MDs still best option, please don't waste your money; taking a trip to a beach somewhere will be more likely to cure you than him.

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on April 19, 2014
at 09:15 AM

The best medical advice I got was from my doctor, who could look at my tests, and me, and ask me what I'd done to screw up my diet. It didn't take more than a minute to sort it out. It required a personal visit to someone familiar with me for 10 years though.

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on September 28, 2013
at 02:05 PM

Please don't discount real physicians just because our healthcare system is broken and pcps often have no time to spend with patients. Obtain second opinions, and request referral to endocrinologists, obesity specialists, etc and you will find that many of us practice evidence-based medicine while still having N open mind for outside the box thinking and all of us put emphasis on lifestyle. -Dr. Karl Nadolsky

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(10557)

on October 17, 2015
at 07:24 PM

I can't believe such quacky comments. People who lurk in the shadows of paranoia are the last I'd trust with recommendations on my health.

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on July 11, 2015
at 08:41 PM

Dr karl, 

For you to say that there are traditional practitioners who are open-minded in the US is erroneous and untrue, at least in my case.  I have struggled with poor health since I contracted c diff from taking antibiotics.  Along the way I was diagnosed with autoimmune diseases without proper confirmation through testing. However, I put my faith in my doctors bc at the time it never occurred to me that any doctor would give me medicines that would potentially injure or kill me.  I was put on humera for "probable" undifferentiated ankylosing spondylitis.  I contracted klebsella pneumonia and was treated for that.   However i continue to have a temperature and within months I was showing signs of infection and traditional testing showed nothing.  I was ( and still am) unable to eat ANY sugars, fruit, dairy because I would bloat and become edemic.  I did extensive research on klebsiella and found that it almost always occurs in conjuction with a fungal infection.  Presented this information to my doctor and he laughed!!! Switched pcps and that jerk refused to do a sputum fungal culture but I convinced her to run it.  Guess what?  It was positive for candida albicans.  Was referred to an infectious disease Dr and he assessed me and proclaimed that there was nothing wrong with me!!!  At the time I was too ill to argue and advocate for myself.  So for the next 4 years I went to countless other specialists hoping to get help for the infection etc etc and all I got was condescending ridicule from those in your so called profession.  In looking back on my experiencell, this entire issue could have been avoided if my pcp had simply recommended that I take a damn probiotic along with the antibiotic.  Instead I contracted cdiff which I now know was the catalyst for my ill health. You might be an open-minded practitioner but our medical system is sorely lacking in doctors such as yourself.

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on September 29, 2013
at 05:59 PM

Our healthcare system is BEYOND broken as a result of reductionist thinking and the compartmentalization of health care. One of the HUGE benefits of seeing a L.Ac is that they are extensively trained in nutrition and do not rely on segmenting health into components. L.Acs are trained to examine systems, which is a very different perspective from MDs.

For you to discount a medical practice that requires 4 years of graduate level study, including both Western and Eastern diagnoses (yes, FOUR YEARS, just like MDs), is blatantly ignorant

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on July 26, 2013
at 07:15 PM

I have only experienced CK's website. I am a natural Dr. in NC. I have found NUTRI-SPEC.NET to be good site that is as good if not better than CK's...consult there for a Dr. near you. The diet from both is similar, but the nutrition from NUTRI-SPRC is more concentraated and specific...another good source/option id a Dr. Tim O'shea, who is somewhere in Ca. Dr Ezra

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on December 04, 2015
at 08:27 PM

2015 - My experience as Chris Kresser's patient

When Chris treated my SIBO condition, I had no idea that I was going to see so many improvements in my adrenal system, my energy, my sleep and my ability to focus! They were all bonuses and now I understand that it makes complete sense! I never expected a magic bullet to deal with SIBO or CIRS, therefore I say that I feel safe working with Chris, knowing that he dedicates time to the most relevant latest research and has been accumulating substantial clinical learning through his patients.

If you want to learn about your own body and health in general, and make profound and lasting health improvements, from the very root of the problems, then I highly recommend working with Chris Kresser.

I know that many of us have a religious need to find a doctor to take charge of our health. I experience this as being one of the most dangerous elements of our culture. I have lost beloved people in my family due to this. I hope that more and more people begin studying their bodies with the time and focus that it deserves. It is my life mission to invite people to step up to the plate of studentship of their own bodies. If you are expecting a magic bullet for your health, please know that Chris Kresser is not going to perpetuate that culture.

In my experience, Chris was conservative in regards to both testing and supplementation. He gave time for my body to respond with the least amount of intervention first, and then, began looking at other systems of the body as we progressed. In the “alternative health” world it is my experience that people get 6 to 12 different supplements in average from their practitioners. Chris recommended three tests to me initially and I took 4 supplements and implemented lifestyle changes. I saw improvements immediately and he was very present in the next consultations to listen to my concerns, fine tune, and prescribe the next test or two to follow the body’s responses. Chris has the tranquility and confidence needed to read the symptoms, look back at your history, and connect the dots in a way that the next step of action makes good sense.

After seeing how the average “alternative health” practitioners work for the past 10 years, I can say that it is pretty common to find them chasing symptoms, for example, playing irresponsibly with hormone prescription, which will leave the client “feeling great”, temporarily, and at the same time send a message to the body to shut off its own natural hormone production. This creates a cycle, where the patients are forever ill and dependent on their practitioners. Chris does not perpetuate this culture. Besides him being conservative on supplements, he does not get distracted, he honors and prioritizes bringing the body back to its own optimal functioning by addressing the root causes of imbalance. Always.

I spend time educating myself on the topics that Chris and I are going to discuss prior to the consultation. I make my notes with clear questions. I come out of the consultation with all my answers, as well as a lead to begin studying the next topic to the next level. It takes me in average a week to study and understand what we discussed in a consultation, and come up with the next set of good questions. I have loved the process. I highly recommend working with Chris or any clinician in his practice that are under his supervision.

Regarding the admin aspect of Chris’ clinic, I would expect that an incredibly super fast growing practice would be inundated with demands from patients and potential clients. Perhaps there were one or two communications that could have been better. It is very important to me to take care of my mental state. Therefore I avoid reacting if I experience a glitch. I don’t mind helping to clarify communications for both sides and find a resolution as needed. In this regard, I have no expectation of being pampered by the clinic’s admin staff, since I am the most interested of the two parts in improving my own health and moving the process forward.

Most recently, Chris’ practice has hired many more administrative assistants and they have been highly responsive and accountable. I have received timely clear responses, including phone calls, to help me clarify questions. Congratulations Chris for navigating the growth, responding to the demand, staying cool and continuing to allow us to benefit from all your research and clinical learning! Thank you!

 

 

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on October 16, 2015
at 03:48 PM

I've read a lot of his stuff in search of answers for the unique health concerns of me and my girlfriend. He seems to believe that the thyroid is the end-all-be-all of the universe and that he is the only one who understands it. So there's that.

In reading one of his ebooks he mentioned a probiotic that is tolerable for those with small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. It doesnt have L. acidophilous in it, making it a unique probiotic. That was useful, and true, and is not a widely publisized piece of information. So I kept him in good favor in my mind. Until recently.

On October 8, 2015, someone named Kelsey Marksteiner published a guest post on Kresser's web site that goes straight to the quackery file. She maintains that long-term dietary changes are not necessary and could be harmful to those with SIBO. Fair enough. We'd all like that to be true. Could be a case of "cure the underlying condition, and the symptom, SIBO, goes away." However her "clinical experience" simply doesn't cut it, in terms of persuading me to go completely in an opposite direction of what's been working. I've actually figured out how to put the demon down! What's she done, really? She quotes weak research, suggests 100 grams of carbs, and says many, many things that go more with conventional wisdom than stuff that's working for a lot of people.

Often, you learn more in the comments section than in the article, as points are explained. Tellingly, the author responds to very few comments, leaving her radical and contentious points unanswered. The only comments she responded to were those of the "Kelsey, thank you so much, you are awesome!"

Yes, your profile pic is cute as a button. I'd guess she's 25 and she is a Registered Dietician. How much clinical experience does she have in this very niche field of SIBO? To continue this rant in a direction that could be unpopular, have you read through some of those guest posts? How many of them are attractive females that joined Chris with rather odd back stories. One, a medical doctor, trained in radiology. Another Dietitician. All cute as buttons.

Now I'm not saying he's banging them. Far from it. I just think this whole profile pic thing has gone a bit far. From a marketing standpoint, Kresser's smug assertion that his various and sundry--and complicated and expensive and often contradictory to one's personal experience--will produce bright, shining faces...well it tells me I'm in the wrong field. And I need a new head shot. But I'd rather recommend something like fecal transplantation to someone than anything on that site, especially after reading the guest posts from his new batch of dietitician-next-door cronies.

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on November 20, 2015
at 04:09 AM

Here's another young dietician for whom Chris is selling services:

Laura Schoenfeld, MPH, RD

From her website:

You should work with me if:

- You’re ready to make a real, lasting investment in your health and wellbeing

You should not work with me if:

- You’re not ready or willing to invest any significant time, effort, and/or money in addressing your health and wellness concerns

Now, of course, there's more on her website.  And, admittedly, I'm quoting selectively.

But, I have spent the last two years (and, over $12,000 out-of-pocket) dealing with one "alternative" provider after another.  This includes Naturopathic Doctors, Integrative Doctors, Functional Medicine Doctors, and Chiropractors.

And, I'm still struggling.

Some have been marginally helpful, while most have not.  ALL of them have ordered lots of tests -- usually expensive tests that are not reimbursed by my insurance provider.  In some cases, the providers were not even sure about how to interpret certain results.

Example: A certain lab parameter had a range of 0.0 to 20.0.  My result was 19.58.  Is that really "Normal"?  Does my body work correctly at 19.99 and break-down at 20.0?  I spent a couple of hundred dollars on that test, but with no useful outcome.

With the exception of one provider, I felt that people genuinely wanted to help me.  Some of them got into (or, later switched into) the "alternative" model, because they had their own health crisis that "conventional" medicine couldn't help.  It was an "alternative" provider that helped set them on a healing path.  Just like Kresser claims.

I visited one Integrative Physician that is fed-up with the current medical system--alternative, conventional, all of it.  He's close to retirement, so he's trying to not rock the boat, help who he can, and then retire.  One of his colleagues suggested he should sell supplements, because the colleague was making over $85,000 a year, on supplements alone.  This is why the guy wants to retire.  He's not in it for the money.  He was one of those people that had (still has) health issues and got into the field to help others.

Anyway, for nearly two decades, we've seen several bubbles come-and-go:

- Internet/Dot.Com

- Telecom

- Housing

- Finance

Onto that trash heap, I think we can safely add:

- Paleo

- Primal

- Ancestral

- Weston A. Price

- Low-Carb

- Low-Carb, High-Fat

- Ketogenic

Plus, all the other buzzwords like "Clean Eating," "Intermittent Fasting," "High-Intensity Interval Training," and, for the love of God, "Bulletproof Coffee!"

I'm not suggesting they're ALL flawed or wrong.  In fact, I think many of them have some merit.  But, when these plans drive people to disordered eating and obsessive behaviors, I think we have to acknowledge there's a problem.

Because, to tie this together, this is how it started for me.

It was my desire to "get healthy" that led me to look into The Primal Blueprint, and, subsequently, most of this aforementioned items.  When the cracks started to appear, like most people, I doubled-down:

"If 'X' isn't working, then, by God, I need to just need to do more of it!"

Eventually, the wheels came-off.  Two years later, I still have no idea what is wrong with me.  And, as I previously alluded, it's not for lack of looking.

Incidentally, in addition to all the providers I've seen out-of-network, I've seen many specialists in-network.  Thus, most visits and procedures were covered and not included in the $12,000 figure.

At this point, I'm pretty sure my problem --whatever it may be -- is NOT likely due to:

- Eating fruit, sweet potatoes, and/or white rice.

- Nor, do I believe it's because I eat arterycloggingsaturatedfat (in modest amounts) like bacon.

- Could it be because I don't eat a brick of Kerrygold butter with the five pastured eggs also fried in Kerrygold butter?  I doubt it.

- Maybe it's too much/little protein?  Too much protein and you "turn-on cancer," according to T. Colin Campbell.  Too little and we go into "starvation mode."

- Surely, it must be the lectins and/or phytic acid in grains and legumes. I mean, we've been eating those foods for "only" 10,000...no, 12,000...no, 15,000 years.  According to the information I Googled, we haven't adapted to eat those foods.  So, I'm going to drive to Whole Foods and buy something more "primal."  Call my cell phone, if you think of anything you need.  What?  Coconut flour?  Paleo brownies?  Now, you're talking!

- Maybe it's FODMAPS?

- Nightshades!

- Goitrigens!

- Blue lights!

Surely, you see the absurdity of it all.

Somehow, I managed to make it into my late 40s, without having to manage the beating of my heart, my respiration, my digestive function, the blinking of my eyes, and so forth.  And, not surprisingly, things mostly went well.

It was only when I started monkeying with things that I started having problems.  Rather than following my own intuition (i.e. my body signals), I followed someone else's "plan."

In closing, the best advice I could offer anyone is this:

Become an informed consumer.  Immerse yourself in as many different health topics as possible.  This this means opposing viewpoints, too.  ESPECIALLY opposing viewpoints!  The goal is not for you to become a Doctor, but to be able to interact with your Doctor more effectively.  It should be a dialog, not a monolog.  Don't be afraid to share what you've read or learned.  Print the information and ask your Doctor to read it with you.  You also have to be a strong advocate for yourself and be willing to "fire" a Doctor.  Doctors are consultants -- very educated and informed ones, of course -- that work for you.  If you feel you're not being given the care or attention you deserve, are not being heard, and/or are not progressing as you would like, then find another Doctor.  At the same time, you have to meet the Doctor in the middle.  Maybe you'll have to try that medication.  Or, maybe you can negotiate a supplement.  Ultimately, however, your health and associated decisions are your responsibility.  At first, this may seem unsettling.  However, over time, I believe you will find it empowering.  You're no longer a "victim."

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on October 17, 2015
at 07:34 PM

Having trudged through some old Eades malarkey recently, I'm starting to realize that in 2007 Paleo was a Big Deal. Anyone could say anything and a huge audience would swallow sketchy advice without any critical judgement. 8 years later it's Pimping for Nutritionists to try and get on someone's radar. 

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on February 11, 2014
at 11:14 PM

I saw CK and none of my issues have been resolved after spending thousands on tests, herbs and supplements and working with Chris for a year.

Even I felt that the test results from some labs are not correct. Could be a eco system of helping each other make money!

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on May 27, 2012
at 07:25 PM

Holy cow...

Just wanted to thank Charlie, edle, Melanie, and StrekofLean for writing such detailed accounts of your experiences with CK. I'm three months away from a master's in nutrition and will be starting up a consulting business. It's so helpful to read about your experiences so I can learn what does and does not resonate with clients. (I've been to an ND myself, for my own hormonal issues, so I've been on "the other side of the desk," as it were, but it's still very educational for me to hear about other people's experiences.)

Seems like it might be a different ballgame when it comes to me helping people who eat 100% SAD and have absolutely no clue about the connections between food, sleep, and stress on their health and mental/emotional well being, vs. people like us, who've been listening to Robb Wolf, Chris Kresser, Sean Croxton, etc., and feel like we could probably tell our conventional doctors a thing or two.

And Charlie, you're SO right -- no one will ever care about your health more than you. If taking thousands of dollars worth of supplements just doesn't sit right with someone, they shouldn't keep doing it just because someone like CK says so. (Lots of things for me to keep in mind when I start my practice. I'll likely use supplements in many cases, but I certainly understand the budget issues! And I'm all about using them to restore/replete and then dosing DOWN. Kind of like conventional medication, even "natural supplements" aren't things we should need to take for the rest of our lives. (Not if we get our diet and lifestyle in line, that is.) Also great info for me not to treat symptoms, but treat PEOPLE. Just because someone presents with x and y issues doesn't mean they'll respond exactly the same way to whatever protocol I gave the last person who came to me with x and y. In that way, sometimes natural medicine is as narrow-minded as allopathic.

Seriously, you have no idea how helpful this is. Thanks, all!

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627cf3f5d1ddfb4c2f4c96169420f55f

on March 26, 2012
at 07:58 PM

There is a peer pressure badge?

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(24543)

on March 26, 2012
at 09:13 PM

Okay, someone has started the ball rolling. You only need two more downvotes. Go ahead, if you ever wanted to say something dumb, now is the chance.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 26, 2012
at 08:15 PM

Yes, and only 15 people have earned it. If you want to type something dumb, I can downvote you, and you can be on your way! http://paleohacks.com/badges/36/peer-pressure#axzz1qFLbk1mK

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on August 05, 2015
at 06:04 PM

I wouldn't ever rely on Chris Kresser for ANY form of guidance. I've read his ridiculously contradictory articles.... such as  "The Nitrate and Nitrite Myth"  and  "The Acid-Alkaline Myth" ...... and find that these are EXTREMELY misleading and do not help or aid the typical uninformed individual that is seeking a healthier lifestyle. I caution ANYONE listening to an individual that supports and references the FDA as a credible health minded entity.

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on July 23, 2015
at 10:52 PM

Wow! Sorry to hear that people haven't had good experiences with CK. Goes to show you that just becasue you're a well-oiled social media machine (and knowedgable- I think very highly of his blog and book) doesn't mean you are a good clinician. I have heard similar "meh" stories of Mark Hyman and other well known, very expensive functional medicine big-wigs.

I always tell people that just bc somebody says they do func med (or anything for that matter) it doesn't mean they know what they're doing! It may not work (not enough street cred points or whatever they call them here), but here is an article I wrote about finding a functional medicine doctor near you.

You'll have to figure out how to reconstruct the link on your own! infinityholistichealth dot com/blog/b_52692_how_to_find_a_functional_medicine_doctor_near_you dot html. Hope this helps!

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(10557)

on October 17, 2015
at 07:20 PM

Downvote spamming for your blog. See an MD before giving money to either Kresser or a FD.

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on April 03, 2012
at 06:58 PM

somewhat related...has anyone done something like this? http://www.wellnessfx.com/crossfitbox/potrerohill

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on March 25, 2012
at 04:43 AM

Yes, he isn't perfect

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(7275)

on March 25, 2012
at 04:47 AM

This answer is not very helpful without some elaboration.

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on March 25, 2012
at 10:18 PM

You could make lemonade out of lemons if you want. You can delete your response and actually get the "peer pressure" badge ;).

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(56)

on March 25, 2012
at 06:04 AM

I'm laughing -- I think I have to read the FAQ cuz I do not quite understand the gestalt here @PH. Like, I don't think I intended to "answer" the OP. Am I banned for life!?

8fbbf720caae616b07d3a8a12e59093f

(56)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:52 PM

yes it was obviously very complicated.

8fbbf720caae616b07d3a8a12e59093f

(56)

on March 26, 2012
at 02:53 AM

Never been much of a sissy, so I'll leave it as a "badge" of ignorance ;-)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

not banned, just downvoted :)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2012
at 05:09 AM

to get banned you have to actually saw something offensive like "all the mods are goats and vegans rulez, here is a link to buy some Viagra!"

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(56)

on March 25, 2012
at 04:59 AM

Fresh out of elaboration except I have attempted to get through the process to "see" Chris; it's a process that can leave one with a lot of doubt.

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(5043)

on March 25, 2012
at 06:48 AM

That's the difference between comments and answers. If you have an answer, answer. IF you have a comment, comment. Not too complicated.

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