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baking soda ph, etc.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 21, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Hi all, I am wondering why baking soda has apparently been the cause of fatigue and lassitude I've been experiencing lately. I had decided to use it as a toothpaste substitute as I can't purchase any of the "special" toothpastes(such as TOm's of maine, etc.) where I am currently located. Does anyone have any HANDY recomendations for alternatives to the sodium fluoride laced poison masquerading as toothpaste in most drug stores? The fatigue I've been experiencing has been difficult to overcome and the flatulence is another unpleasant side-effect. Perhaps there is another cause of the fatigue but nothing has changed in diet or lifestyle since making this change and the fatigue followed the inclusion of the baking soda. PLease advise.*

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on June 25, 2011
at 11:51 PM

PaleoMouth, I have known people who had health teeth well into their nineties who had only ever used baking soda for teeth cleaning. I have used it for almost fifteen years with no ill effects. I also use 100% olive oil soap sometimes, which I make. There is much discussion of tooth soap at The Dish, which is the best soap-making forum on the web. One must register to read: http://www.thedishforum.com/forum/index.php? Hope this is of use. :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 22, 2011
at 07:23 PM

useful-and interesting-advice. I will attempt this. Thank you my dear.

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on June 22, 2011
at 01:42 PM

I don't consume grains or gluten but have had no great problems when I did. Is there not a relationship between fatigue and increase of PH of body fluids?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 22, 2011
at 01:41 PM

Meaning it erodes enamel perhaps? I'm looking for a teeth cleaner...any ideas other than the poisons in the drug store?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 22, 2011
at 01:39 PM

Hi. I am attempting to avoid swallowing but I think it must be absorbed throgh the mucuous membranes(also it is near impossible to avoid swallowing small amounts). Any toothpaste ideas for someone with limited resources?

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on June 22, 2011
at 01:38 PM

I am brushing my teeth with it. I have also heard about its energy bestowing properties but am thinking that changes in PH create this fatigue-state? I would like to discover other mouth-cleansing substances but have no ideas what to avail myself of in the middle of the bush(just the regular grocery store items available here).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 22, 2011
at 01:35 PM

I do but some is absorped through the mucuos membranes and some more inevitably enters the digestive tract.

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

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on June 21, 2011
at 11:14 PM

Sorry it was naughty to say 'science', I don't have any reputable sources to back this up.. except there seems to be just as many people warning about the damage to enamel as there are people here touting baking soda as the safe toothpaste. I am thankful my friend alerted me to the concern which I don't think I ever came across here.

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on June 21, 2011
at 10:02 PM

PaleoMouth, do you happen to have a reference for the statement that baking soda wears tooth enamel very rapidly? "Science indicates" is not a link one can refer to. Thanks!

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

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on June 21, 2011
at 09:45 PM

I would just like to issue a warning about using baking soda toothpaste as your only toothpaste (using everyday). Science indicates you will wear your enamel very rapidly. Its easy to fall into the trap I did hearing that everyone uses it and not one mentioning the serious enamel wearing properties. I would go online for access to any toothpaste that exists, assuming you have a postal address...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 21, 2011
at 09:28 PM

Especially if all you are doing is gargling with it...I just don't think this is the problem.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 21, 2011
at 09:27 PM

I am having a difficult time believing that baking soda is the source of your malaise. As far as fatigue is concerned, it should have the opposite effect. It bestows energy and helps clear out lactic acid. Of course, everyone is different.

The only reason I can imagine that it would cause flatulence is if you drank baking soda too close to meal time (in which case it would reduce stomach acid and impair digestion).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 21, 2011
at 09:28 PM

Especially if all you are doing is gargling with it...I just don't think this is the problem.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 22, 2011
at 01:38 PM

I am brushing my teeth with it. I have also heard about its energy bestowing properties but am thinking that changes in PH create this fatigue-state? I would like to discover other mouth-cleansing substances but have no ideas what to avail myself of in the middle of the bush(just the regular grocery store items available here).

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on June 21, 2011
at 09:17 PM

My advice? Spit out the baking soda and rinse your mouth thoroughly.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 22, 2011
at 01:35 PM

I do but some is absorped through the mucuos membranes and some more inevitably enters the digestive tract.

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on June 22, 2011
at 12:10 AM

Calcium release rates from tooth enamel treated with dentifrices containing whitening agents and abrasives. Gen Dent. 2010 Nov-Dec;58(6):e240-5.'

Tooth whitening agents containing hydrogen peroxide and carbamide peroxide are used frequently in esthetic dental procedures. However, lesions on the enamel surface have been attributed to the action of these products. Using conventional procedures for separating and isolating biological structures, powdered enamel was obtained and treated with hydrogen peroxide, carbamide peroxide, and sodium bicarbonate, ingredients typically found in dentifrices. The enamel was exposed to different pH levels, and atomic emission spectrometry was used to determine calcium release rates. As the pH level increased, the rate of calcium release from enamel treated with dentifrices containing whitening agents decreased. Carbamide peroxide produced the lowest amount of decalcification, while sodium bicarbonate produced the highest release rates at all pH levels.

PMID: 21062707

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 22, 2011
at 01:41 PM

Meaning it erodes enamel perhaps? I'm looking for a teeth cleaner...any ideas other than the poisons in the drug store?

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on June 21, 2011
at 10:09 PM

You're now swallowing the baking soda, are you? As with normal toothpaste, you're just supposed to clean your mouth with it, then spit it out and rinse out your mouth thoroughly. Little to none should actually enter your system. Maybe some extra rinses would help you.

Are there any other external factors that could be causing the fatigue and flatulence? A different brand of a food you regularly eat, perhaps?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 22, 2011
at 01:39 PM

Hi. I am attempting to avoid swallowing but I think it must be absorbed throgh the mucuous membranes(also it is near impossible to avoid swallowing small amounts). Any toothpaste ideas for someone with limited resources?

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on June 21, 2011
at 10:39 PM

i have a water pic. it only needs water and i brush the gums/tongue/roof :)

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on April 10, 2013
at 05:15 AM

I really doubt that baking soda can harm enamel via pH. You might have an argument for abrasiveness, but I doubt the pH is going to be a problem. We're talking baking soda, not lye. You can drink baking soda water. You can put it on your skin. It's not an extreme alkali like lye. If you're worried, just use it a couple days a week, alternating with toothpaste.

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on June 22, 2011
at 01:54 PM

I personally don't use anything to brush my teeth. I remember reading around somewhere and seeing that it was the ACT of flossing and brushing that cleaned teeth, not the paste/whatever you use. This makes sense to me, as traditional cultures would just chew on fibrous plant materials to clean their teeth. So twice a day I floss and brush my teeth with nothing but water. Once a week I swish coconut oil around my mouth for 15 minutes or so, then spit the stuff out. You'll see the oil turn all murky, remember not to swallow this because it's full of bacteria you don't want in your system. I hear red palm oil's good for this too, but I'm not too keen on the taste.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 22, 2011
at 07:23 PM

useful-and interesting-advice. I will attempt this. Thank you my dear.

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on June 22, 2011
at 12:12 AM

if you are extremely sensitive to gluten, baking soda could be causing you problems. See glutenzap for details

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 22, 2011
at 01:42 PM

I don't consume grains or gluten but have had no great problems when I did. Is there not a relationship between fatigue and increase of PH of body fluids?

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